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How to Connect With Your Partner on a Deeper Level: The Three Levels of Communication

with Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby and Debra Fileta

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You Talk Every Day and Still Feel Alone — Here’s Why

It is not a lack of love. It is a lack of skill. The distance most couples feel after years together almost never comes from a love problem. It comes from skills they were never taught.

You and your partner talk every day. You handle the calendar, the kids, the dog’s vet appointment, and whose mother is hosting the holidays this year. You are functional. You might even be happy. But every once in a while, usually on a Tuesday night with your partner three feet away on the couch, you find yourself wondering how to connect with your partner on a deeper level again. Because the way things are right now, you talk all the time, and you still feel alone.

In this episode, I sit down with Debra Fileta, a licensed therapist with more than twenty years of clinical practice and the author of nine books, including her newest, People Skills. Debra walks me through a framework I have been teaching to clients ever since: three levels of communication, the reason most couples stall at level two without realizing it, and what to do about it once you can see what is happening.

We also cover the weekly check-in ritual she has used in her own marriage for fifteen years, and the empathy practice that I think is the closest thing to a relationship superpower I have come across in the last decade of doing this work.

Communication Emotional Intimacy Empathy Couples Vulnerability
“It is not a lack of love. It is a lack of skill.” — Debra Fileta

Episode transcript

Debra Fileta: People pleasing, passivity, isolation, aggression. There’s a lot of things that we’ve learned along the way that maybe served us in one season of life, but if we don’t face that and change it, it sabotages us.

Dr. Lisa: If you’re in a rough patch in a relationship, it can feel so helpless. Like, how do I fix this? I’ve tried everything I know how to do. That does not mean your relationship is doomed. It might just mean that you need a fresh set of skills and some different tools in your toolbox.

Debra Fileta: So it’s not just about being nice. It’s deeper than that. It’s about emotionally healthy interactions. It’s about knowing who I am and what I have to bring to the table of relationships, and the beauty is that skills can be learned.

Dr. Lisa: And that is what you’re going to get out of today’s episode. By the end of our time together, you are going to get a whole bunch of new ideas and things to do differently that will immediately help you improve all of your most important relationships.

Debra Fileta: So often I’m working with couples or individuals who are struggling in friendships or parent relationships or whatever, and I find myself saying, “It’s not a lack of love, it’s a lack of skill.” Nobody’s ever taught them, or nobody’s ever taught you the skills. The intentions might be good, and I think sometimes we judge ourselves based on our intentions rather than how we’re actually coming across. So there’s some work to be done in this area for all of us.

Dr. Lisa: Somebody who hasn’t had the opportunity to develop some of these skills, or maybe needs to unlearn some things, how would they know? What would they experience in their relationships that would be the warning light on the dashboard that they have some skill building to do?

Debra Fileta: The one thing we should open our eyes to is that we are looking for patterns rather than pain points. When I say pain points, I mean: I just had a conflict with this person, or that was awkward. We’re not just talking about one-time pain points, we’re talking about patterns.

Debra Fileta: Things I keep seeing over and over. Why do I get really close to people and then all of a sudden they disappear? Or why is it really hard for me to let people into my life? Why don’t I have really good friendships? Or why do I find myself often feeling bitterness and resentment toward the people I love? When you start to see a pattern emerging again and again, that’s when it’s a good time to start assessing: what am I bringing to the table?

Dr. Lisa: When you start to notice patterns and you’re like, “Wait a minute, I might be the common denominator here,” that’s when to pay attention. We’re not trying to criticize or shame-fuel things, but just this thoughtful way of how could I potentially be co-creating this outcome?

Dr. Lisa: What is your response to someone who believes, “I’m attracted to the wrong people, and that’s why these things keep happening over and over again”?

Debra Fileta: Even the idea of being drawn to the wrong relationships is something we need to take ownership of. Human beings are magnetic. We attract and engage with people on our similar level of emotional health and development. So maybe my magnet is drawing people who aren’t so healthy — what can I do differently? I’ve gotta start changing the magnet. I call it the relationship radar, so that it starts to recognize healthy from unhealthy.

Debra Fileta: The reality is so much of that work has to do with the things that we grew up in, the things that are familiar to us. Sometimes it’s easier to choose what’s familiar over what’s healthy. The dysfunction from our past, if we don’t face it, starts to seep into our relationships in the present. But the hope is that relationships are a mirror. They give us an opportunity to spotlight certain things, and the invitation to go deeper in healing.

Dr. Lisa: We’re all products of a culture and an environment, and it’s so easy to just unconsciously replicate what we know because it feels normal. All of us can benefit from a little bit of introspection, self-awareness, and being more thoughtful with all of this.

Debra Fileta: People think that just talking is communication, but what we don’t realize is that there are actually levels to our communication that take us deeper in relationships or keep us stuck at a superficial level.

Debra Fileta: The first level is the facts. Level one. It’s superficial. It’s the shallow end of the pool. We can have a facts conversation with anyone. How’s the weather? Who’s playing in the game tonight? What’s your schedule like? You can talk to people on a very superficial level. You could have three hours of conversation, but still not necessarily go deeper.

Debra Fileta: Until you hit level two. Level two is the ideas and opinions. It requires a little more vulnerability. What do you believe about this? What’s your opinion? And then it moves us into level three, which is the feelings territory. How do you feel? I feel inadequate, embarrassed, hurt, misunderstood, alone. It’s much more vulnerable because it requires a whole lot more of you.

Debra Fileta: Some people grow up in families where they just hover at level one and two. I’ve seen people who’ve been married for years and years who aren’t really good at engaging in level three, and they don’t understand why after years of marriage they still don’t feel a deep connection. Just because you talk a lot doesn’t mean you’ve really given a lot of yourself. They think the quantity of words equals the quality of words, and that is not accurate.

Dr. Lisa: It’s not that we are articulating words. It’s that there is a more intimate connection that is based on things that are deeper, more important.

Dr. Lisa: You talked about you and your husband having different comfort levels with levels of communicating. Which are you?

Debra Fileta: He says he’s the guy in the shallow end waiting in the duck floaty. And I am, according to him, the scuba diver. I can just stay underneath the surface of that water for so long, and sometimes he’s like, “Deb, it’s time to come up for air. We’ve been down here for way too long.” But he’s right.

Debra Fileta: The beauty of it is that in a healthy relationship, you’re not just in level three every hour of every day or else you would suffocate. But then you can’t just stay in level one either. One thing that we have found, I guess you could call it a hack, that has kept our relationship strong for all of these years. We probably started this five years into our marriage during a hard season where we were feeling really disconnected. He was working over 100 hours a week. I was home with the kids, and we just didn’t feel like we were connecting.

Debra Fileta: We started having these weekly check-ins where every Sunday night at 9:00 PM after the kids were in bed, we would sit face to face on the couch, with no TV, no phones, no screens, no distractions, and we would talk. We would start with level one, go into level two, and then intentionally move into level three. Honestly, that time, even though it’s 30 minutes a week, has been transformational.

Dr. Lisa: Sometimes that can be part of the function of people scheduling marriage counseling sessions with me — a third-party person to come and have an emotionally intimate conversation in a scheduled way at predictable intervals. You can do this on your own. Sit on the couch and have a conversation, but with the intention of bringing it into more meaningful spaces.

Dr. Lisa: My husband, he is a feeler. He feels things intensely. I tend to be more… I’m happy to listen and to go into all the dark spaces, but I don’t experience a lot of dark, difficult, deep things that need to be aired. Do you ever feel like there’s a disconnect there, where one person is on a different level of emotional intensity?

Debra Fileta: Emotional intensity is a good word. If you think of emotions like a volume dial, in my mind, the volume dial should be ideally around a five out of 10. Not too loud so our eardrums don’t burst, but not too quiet that we can barely hear it. People have a tendency to turn their emotions up too high, or too low. Our past, our trauma histories, all of those things have a role.

Debra Fileta: I would probably lean more towards your husband, where I feel things intensely for good and for bad. My husband is more on the quieter side. I’m probably a 7 out of 10. He’s probably a 3 out of 10. Both of us learning how to balance that and engage with each other in those different ways. There’s a learning curve to it.

Dr. Lisa: It’s an attunement thing — being able to walk into somebody else’s worldview, see the world through their eyes, and have respect for it. Without that, that can potentially cause friction if somebody is feeling things very intensely, and you’re like, “How can you not see this the same way?”

Debra Fileta: Empathy is a skill. When we can develop that, it opens the door for us to be able to relate to people better, to engage better, to forgive when we’ve been hurt, to have understanding. It just makes us better humans overall.

Dr. Lisa: We were talking about the importance of empathy, and the headline here is that this is a skill that can be developed. Where would somebody start?

Debra Fileta: One of my favorite stories about empathy is from Irvin Yalom. He talked about a woman driving to college with her dad. They never saw eye to eye. Her dad was always negative and grumpy. On the way, he talked about, “Look at this road, it’s so awful, all this litter everywhere, people don’t pick up after themselves.”

Debra Fileta: She was just like, “What is he talking about?” All she could see was this beautiful landscape. That was the last straw for her. She pulled away from her relationship with him from that point on. Years later, after he had passed away, she happened to be driving that same road. But this time, she was sitting in the passenger seat where he had been. She looked out her side of the window, and there was the river full of litter and garbage, completely disgusting and neglected.

Debra Fileta: She was filled with remorse at the thought of, “I never took the time to really understand him, to look out his window. The trauma, the hurt, the wounding that he had experienced that led him to the place where he is.” And I always say trauma doesn’t excuse us, but it does explain us. It helps us to know what we’ve been through and why we might do what we do. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but I can see why you would feel that way. Not to excuse it, but to explain it so that I can engage with it in a healthier way.

Dr. Lisa: We’re all sort of walking down a tunnel. At the entrance of the tunnel, what we see is whatever current reality is. But we all have this history that we’ve been walking through over time. It is getting curious about someone else’s tunnel and history, and being open to the possibility that through their car window, it actually does look different.

Debra Fileta: When we were talking about ownership earlier, something came to mind. The idea of doing the work in yourself first. Not that we don’t confront and correct and offer feedback — we should. But not before we do the work in ourselves. When we do the work, we will then see clearly to be able to offer feedback that’s coming from a healthy place. If you have a plank in your eye, you can’t trust that you’re gonna do a good job seeing what’s really there for someone else.

Debra Fileta: And again, not for blame. I think sometimes people hear this and they’re like, “Well, you’re putting all the responsibility on me.” No, I’m giving you the power. I’m giving you the authority. I’m giving you the control, because you’re the only one that can change your circumstances, and you have more authority to change your relationships than anyone else in your life. So receive that and do something with it.

Dr. Lisa: That is a beautiful metaphor and a great reminder of how we can all get very hyper-fixated on what other people are doing or not doing, and not always have visibility into our own opportunities for empowerment.

Debra Fileta: The book is People Skills. Your Relationships Are Only as Strong as Your Skills. You can learn more about me and the book and the podcast, Talk To Me, at debrafileta.com.

Key takeaways

What to take with you

01

It is not a lack of love. It is a lack of skill.

The distance most couples feel after years together almost never comes from a love problem. It comes from skills they were never taught.

02

Three levels of communication — and most couples stall at level two.

Level one is facts. Level two is ideas and opinions. Level three is feelings. Quantity of words is not the same thing as the quality of words.

03

A weekly thirty-minute check-in changes long-term marriages.

The single highest-leverage practice for long-term couples. It does not need to be elaborate. It needs to be consistent.

04

Empathy is a skill, not a personality trait.

It is the practice of looking out your partner’s window, not yours. It can be learned at any age.

05

Trauma does not excuse us, but it does explain us.

Understanding the history a person carries into a conversation is what changes the way you respond to them inside it.

The article

How to Connect With Your Partner on a Deeper Level: The Three Levels of Communication

You and your partner talk every day. You handle the calendar, the kids, the dog’s vet appointment, and whose mother is hosting the holidays this year. You are functional. You might even be happy. But every once in a while, usually on a Tuesday night with your partner three feet away on the couch, you find yourself wondering how to connect with your partner on a deeper level again. Because the way things are right now, you talk all the time, and you still feel alone.

If that has happened to you, I want you to know two things. The first is that you are not imagining it. The second is that you are absolutely not the only one. As a marriage and family therapist who has spent more than two decades sitting with couples in exactly this place, I can tell you the question that brings most of them in is some version of, “we love each other, so why does it feel like this?” The answer is almost never what they think it is. And it is almost always more workable than they realize.

Most people who walk into our couples counseling practice with this issue have read books. They have read articles. They know they are supposed to listen better, ask open-ended questions, and put down the phone. The problem is not information. The problem is that your nervous system has been doing the same thing for years, and a paragraph in a blog post is not going to override that on a real Tuesday night with the actual person sitting three feet away. What I am going to share with you in this article is real, and it is going to give you language for what is happening between you. But the actual work, the part where you do this differently next Tuesday, that is the work my team does with people every day.

On a recent episode of the Love, Happiness and Success Podcast, I sat down with Debra Fileta, a licensed therapist with more than twenty years of clinical practice and the author of nine books, including her newest, People Skills. Debra walked me through a framework I have been teaching to clients ever since. Three levels of communication. The reason most couples stall at level two without realizing it. And what to do about it once you can see what is happening. We are going to walk through that framework together, plus the weekly ritual she has used in her own marriage for fifteen years, and the empathy practice that I think is the closest thing to a relationship superpower I have come across in the last decade of doing this work.

Why don’t my partner and I feel close anymore even though we talk a lot?

When you and your partner talk every day but still feel emotionally distant, the most common cause is that your conversations are happening at the wrong level. There is a difference between the quantity of words you exchange and the kind of words you exchange. Closeness is not built by talking more. It is built by talking differently.

Here is what most couples do not realize. The communication problems they think they have are not really communication problems. They are intimacy problems disguised as communication problems. You can have a marriage where you exchange thousands of words a week and never once say something that would let your partner see what is actually going on inside you. That is not because you are doing something wrong. It is because you were never taught the difference, and over years of being functional together you settled into a pattern that handles logistics beautifully and leaves the rest of you starving.

There is a foundational paper in relationship research by Reis and Shaver (1988) that defines intimacy not as how much time two people spend together but as a process of disclosure and responsiveness. One person reveals something real about their inner experience. The other person responds in a way that makes them feel understood, validated, and cared for. That cycle is the actual mechanism that builds emotional intimacy. Without it, two people can share a house and a bed and a calendar for decades and still feel like strangers.

The good news is this is solvable. The work I do with couples in this place is almost always the same: we name the level they are stuck at, we build the skill of getting to the next one, and we create a structure for practicing it. That structure is what most couples do not have. It is also what most couples can build, with help. Most people I work with figured out that something was off long before they figured out what to do about it. That gap, between knowing it does not feel right and knowing what to do next, is exactly where coaching becomes useful. It is hard to think clearly about your own marriage from inside it.

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What are the three levels of communication in a relationship?

There are three levels of communication. Level one is facts. Level two is ideas and opinions. Level three is feelings. Most couples spend their entire marriage moving fluently between levels one and two and almost never reach level three on purpose. The result is a marriage that is functional and unfulfilling at the same time, and the partners often cannot explain why.

Level One: Facts

Level one is the shallow end of the pool. It is the most superficial layer of communication. You can have a level-one conversation with a stranger in the grocery store. How is the weather. Who is playing in the game tonight. What time do we need to leave for the dentist. Did you remember to put the trash out. Couples need level one to function. A marriage that runs on level one alone, however, is two roommates with a shared calendar.

Level Two: Ideas and Opinions

Level two takes it a little deeper. This is the level where you share what you think. What you believe about the weather, not just what the weather is. Your opinion about the news, the in-laws, the school district, the show you just watched. Level two requires more of you than level one because it asks you to take a position. It is more vulnerable, but only a little. Many couples have most of their substantive conversations at level two and assume they are being close because they are being honest about what they think. That assumption is the trap.

Level Three: Feelings

Level three is what you actually feel. Not what you think. What you feel. “I am scared.” “I feel inadequate.” “I am hurt.” “I am grieving something I do not know how to name yet.” “I am lonely, and I do not know how to tell you that without it sounding like a complaint.” Level three asks for the version of you that lives underneath your opinions. It is the level where intimacy actually happens. And it is the level most couples never reach without help.

In the episode, Debra put it this way: just because you talk a lot does not mean you have really given a lot of yourself. I think that is one of the truest sentences I have heard about marriage in the last decade. You can have an hour-long conversation with your partner about the news, and an hour-long conversation about who is taking the kids to the orthodontist, and at the end of two hours of talking you have shared less of yourself than you would have in two minutes of level three. People grow up in families where level three was rarely modeled, and they enter marriage assuming that talking is the same as connecting. It is not. Knowing the difference is the first step. Practicing it on purpose is what changes the marriage.

Most people I work with have heard about “deep conversations” before. They have not heard about levels. The reason the framework is useful is that it gives you a diagnostic. You can stop fighting about whether you are communicating enough and start asking which level you are communicating at. That is the conversation our coaches have with couples almost every week, and it is one of the most concrete things that changes inside the work.

How do you have deeper conversations with your partner?

You have deeper conversations with your partner by creating intentional space for them. The most reliable way to do that is a weekly check-in: a thirty-minute conversation, at the same time every week, with no screens, no agenda except each other, and an explicit move from level one to level two to level three. The point is not the conversation. The point is the practice.

In our episode, Debra shared the ritual she and her husband John have used for almost fifteen years. Every Sunday night at nine, after the kids go to bed, they sit face to face on the couch. No phones. No TV. They start at level one for a few minutes, drift into level two, and then deliberately move into level three. Sometimes the level-three section lasts five minutes. Sometimes it lasts an hour. The point is that they go there on purpose, every week, whether or not they feel like it. They started during a stretch of marriage where they felt disconnected, John was working over a hundred hours a week as a medical resident, Debra was at home with two small kids, and the time slipped away from them in a way it does for almost every couple. They have been doing it ever since.

Debra also said something I loved about her and John’s different comfort levels with depth. He calls himself the guy in the duck floaty in the shallow end. She calls herself the scuba diver who has to be reminded to come up for air. That dynamic shows up in almost every long-term couple I have worked with. One partner is more comfortable at level three and tends to head straight there if given the chance. The other is more comfortable at levels one and two and gets overwhelmed if level three lasts too long. Both versions are normal. Both can co-exist beautifully. The skill is calibrating to each other on purpose, which is one of the things a weekly check-in builds.

If you want to start one yourself, here is the simplest version. Pick a time. Pick a couch. Put the phones in another room. Spend five minutes on level one (“how was your week, what is on the calendar”). Spend ten minutes on level two (“what is something you have been thinking about, what is your take on this”). Then explicitly say: “let’s go to level three.” Take turns answering one question. “What have I been feeling this week that I have not said out loud to you yet?” Or: “What are you longing for that you do not feel like you can ask for?” If you want a more structured version, the free Communication Training my team and I built walks you through it step by step.

The version of you reading this article and the version of you in a real check-in next Sunday at nine are two different people. That is not a flaw. That is the entire reason coaches exist. If you have tried this kind of practice before and it has not stuck, the issue is almost never motivation. It is the absence of structure and someone outside the marriage holding you both accountable. That is one of the things working with our team gives you.

How do you build emotional intimacy when you and your partner feel things at different intensities?

You build emotional intimacy across an intensity gap by treating the difference as wiring, not as a flaw, and by practicing attunement on purpose. Some people feel emotions at a 7 on a 10-point dial. Some people feel them at a 3. Neither is wrong. The skill is learning to step into your partner’s volume for long enough to understand it, even when it is not your own.

In our episode, Debra and I talked about this directly. My husband tends to feel things more intensely than I do. He gets bothered by things I genuinely do not feel bothered by, and the reverse is true sometimes too. For a long time the gap was a source of friction, because each of us assumed the other was reading the situation wrong. The shift came when we stopped trying to negotiate whose volume was “correct” and started practicing attunement instead. Attunement is the move where you set down your own dial for a minute and step inside theirs. You are not agreeing that the world is at a 7. You are agreeing that for them, right now, it is a 7, and that is real. People do not need you to talk them down from their volume. They need you to be present with them inside it. That is a learnable skill, and it is one of the most important things we coach in long-term couples. It is also one of the harder things to do alone, especially in the moment.

Sue Johnson’s research on Emotionally Focused Therapy, and the meta-analyses that have followed it, show that when partners can attune to each other’s emotional state, marital satisfaction goes up across nearly every measurable dimension (Johnson, 2008). The mechanism is not magic. The mechanism is that two people with different inner experiences finally feel like they are on the same team about those experiences. That feeling is what makes the work of marriage worth it. It is also what most couples lose in the slow drift of years before they realize what happened. To get it back, most couples need a third person in the room, at least for a season. That is what marriage counseling with my team is built around.

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How do you actually practice empathy in your relationship?

You practice empathy by deliberately looking out your partner’s window. The most useful way I know to teach this is a story Debra shared from the late psychiatrist Irvin Yalom’s writing on therapy. A daughter is driving to college with her father. He is grumpy. He keeps complaining about the litter on the side of the road. She cannot understand him. All she can see is a beautiful landscape. That conversation becomes the last straw. She decides he is just negative, and she pulls away from the relationship. Years later, after he has died, she drives the same road. She sits in the passenger seat where he used to sit. She looks out his window. The river on his side is full of garbage. He had been telling her exactly what he was looking at the whole time. She had been looking out her own window and assuming his view was the same as hers. It was not. It never had been.

Empathy is not agreeing. It is not excusing. It is the practice of asking, on purpose, “what is this person looking at right now, and how is that different from what I am looking at?”

“Trauma does not excuse us. But it does explain us.” — Debra Fileta

That is a line from Debra in our episode and I think it is one of the most useful sentences a long-term couple can carry around. Your partner is bringing a history into every conversation with you. Their history shapes what they hear before you have even finished a sentence. That is true for you too. Understanding the history a person carries into the room is what changes how you respond to them inside it. There is a deeper exploration of how this works in our piece on empathy in relationships, which I would recommend if this section landed for you.

And this is also where attachment styles come in. Most people read a short article about attachment, decide they are anxious or avoidant, and call it a day. The actual usefulness of attachment theory is not the label. It is the recognition that what your partner does in conflict was probably learned somewhere a long time ago in a very different relationship, and is not really about you. That awareness changes the question from “why is my partner doing this to me” to “what is my partner protecting themselves from when this comes up.” Both questions can be answered. Only one of them can be answered usefully.

The empathy practice itself is short. Before you respond to your partner in a hard moment, take a breath and ask yourself, “if I were looking out their window right now, what might I see that I am not seeing from mine?” Then say what you saw. “I think you might be feeling X. Tell me if I am close.” That sentence does more for marriage than almost any other I know. It is also one of the first things our coaches teach in the first month of work with a couple, because it is hard to do alone in the moment. The becoming a better listener piece walks through the rest of the practice in detail.

Why reading this article probably is not enough (and what to do about it)

I want to be honest with you about something. The frameworks I just walked you through are real and they work. People use them. Marriages change because of them. But I would be doing you a disservice if I let you close this article thinking that reading it was the work.

Here is what almost always happens. You read an article like this one. Something clicks. You feel a little hopeful. You make a mental note to try the new approach the next time the situation comes up. And then the situation comes up, and your nervous system does what it has done for fifteen years, and you find yourself in the same fight you have been having for a decade, wondering why nothing changed.

The reason is simple. You are not unmotivated, and you are not broken. You are trying to override an entire pattern, by yourself, in the middle of the moment that pattern is most active. That is the hardest possible time to do new behavior. It is almost impossible to do alone.

What works is having someone in your corner who knows your specific patterns, who you can text after a hard conversation, who can help you debrief and recalibrate before the next one. That is what coaching with our team actually is. It is not lectures. It is not generic advice. It is a real ongoing relationship with someone who is paying attention to your marriage. We work with couples who are deeply in love and stuck. We work with couples on the edge. We work with couples who are not sure if they are still couples and are trying to figure that out honestly. The communication-in-relationships cluster on our site has more on the specific kinds of work we do, but the short version is: there is a real path through this, and you do not have to walk it alone.

If something in this article landed somewhere specific for you, that is the signal to talk to someone. We do free first conversations on my team. No pressure. No commitment. Just a real conversation about what is actually going on for you and whether what we do here might help. The first conversation is on us.

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Can communication skills really be learned?

Yes. Communication skills are not a personality trait, and they are not something you either have or you do not. They are a set of practices that can be taught and learned at any age, with the right structure and the right support. The couples I have watched make the biggest changes in twenty years of doing this work were not the ones who walked in already “good at it.” They were the ones who decided this was learnable and kept showing up.

There is a body of research from the Gottman Institute, going back almost forty years, demonstrating that what predicts the long-term health of a marriage is not whether two people are compatible in personality. It is whether they have the skills to repair after conflict, attune during difference, and stay emotionally connected over the slow drift of years (Gottman & Silver, 1999). All three of those are skills. None of them are inborn. The couples who have them learned them. Most of them learned them on purpose, often with help.

If you have read this far, you already have most of what you need. You have the language for what is happening. You have a framework that gives you a diagnostic. You have a weekly practice you can start this Sunday. You have an empathy move you can use in your next hard conversation. The question now is not whether you know enough. It is whether you are going to do the thing. Most people do not, alone. Most people who do, do it with someone in their corner. That can be a friend. It can be a book. It can be a coach or a therapist on our team. Pick whichever one you can actually commit to. The how to be more vulnerable in relationships piece on our site is a good next read if you want a structured next step that is free.

And if you want to go further, that is what we are here for. Working with one of our therapists or coaches is the most direct way to take what you just read and turn it into how you actually live. We do free first conversations because the first conversation should not have a price tag. It should help you figure out whether what you are describing is the kind of thing we work with, and whether the person you are talking to is someone you would want in your corner. If you have read this article and recognized your marriage in it, that is worth saying out loud to a real person.

You and your partner do not have to keep talking past each other. You do not have to keep settling for level two. The conversation underneath the conversation is available to you. Most couples just need someone to hold the door open. We would be honored to do that for you.

xo, Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby

About this episode’s experts

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Debra Fileta

MA, LPC · Founder, Debra Fileta Counselors Network

Licensed professional counselor with more than twenty years of clinical practice. Host of the nationally syndicated podcast and radio show Talk To Me. Author of nine books on relationships, communication, and emotional health, including her most recent, People Skills: Your Relationships Are Only as Strong as Your Skills (Harvest House, February 2026). Lives in Lancaster, Pennsylvania with her husband John and their four children.

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Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby

PhD, LP, LMFT, BCC · Founder, Growing Self

Licensed psychologist, marriage and family therapist, and Board Certified Coach. Founder of Growing Self Counseling & Coaching. Host of the Love, Happiness & Success podcast (15M+ downloads). 25+ years of clinical practice. Creator of the Growing Self Institute, where she trains licensed mental health professionals in evidence-based coaching psychology.

Free downloads & tools

Resources Dr. Lisa talked about in this episode

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Communication That Connects — Free Two-Part Training
The same skills my team teaches couples in their first sessions. Two short videos and a workbook. Free.
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People Skills — by Debra Fileta
Debra’s most recent book. Your Relationships Are Only as Strong as Your Skills. 31 mini chapters on the practices that build healthy connection.
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Talk To Me — Debra’s podcast
Debra Fileta’s nationally syndicated podcast and radio show on relationships, communication, and emotional health.
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References & further reading

Sources cited in this episode

  1. Reis, H. T., & Shaver, P. (1988). Intimacy as an interpersonal process. In S. W. Duck (Ed.), Handbook of Personal Relationships: Theory, Research, and Interventions (pp. 367–389). John Wiley & Sons.
  2. Johnson, S. (2008). Hold Me Tight: Seven Conversations for a Lifetime of Love. Little, Brown and Company.
  3. Gottman, J. M., & Silver, N. (1999). The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work. Crown Publishers.

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