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How to Get Over a Broken Heart: What Really Works (When Nothing Else Has)

with Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby and Jesse Stanley

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Stuck on Your Ex for Years? It’s Not a Life Sentence

Heartbreak isn’t a willpower problem. It’s a real biological state — and the small daily behaviors you don’t think about are keeping the attachment fed, no matter how much time has passed.

A year. Two years. Five years. Ten. Still stuck on the same person. If any of those numbers landed somewhere specific, I want you to hear this first: this is not a life sentence. Most people who walk into our heartbreak recovery work have already read the books and downloaded the articles. The problem isn’t information. It’s that knowing what to do and being able to actually do it — at 2 AM, after seeing one photo — are two completely different things.

My guest is my colleague Jesse Stanley, a licensed marriage and family therapist and board-certified coach who co-facilitates our Heartbreak Recovery Intensive with me. Before he became a therapist, Jesse spent twenty-three years in military leadership, retiring as a First Sergeant in a medical unit. The operational clarity in how he works, the directness, the way he can hold steadiness when emotions are loud — all of that is downstream of that arc. He has also done significant work with people exiting abusive relationships, which means he has sat across from the disempowerment-to-power shift more times than most clinicians ever will.

We sat down to name what actually keeps people stuck — the “factory accident sign” of small contact behaviors that reset the recovery clock, why your thinking brain and your attachment brain disagree, why groups move people faster than one-on-one work, and the reframe Jesse calls the unlock: closure is something you give yourself.

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“Closure is something you give yourself.” — Jesse Stanley, Love, Happiness and Success Podcast

Episode transcript

Dr. Lisa: If you or someone you care deeply about is going through a relationship loss, a hard breakup, maybe a divorce, I want you to know that even though it seems like this pain will never end, this is not a life sentence. There is a way through to not just healing, but growth, new opportunities for development, and the chance to create a whole new chapter — but only if you have clarity around what to stop doing that will always keep you stuck. And you know what I’m talking about.

Jesse: Our bodies are going through, like, an actual chemical change. There’s physiology in a breakup. You were connected, you were attached to this other person, and that detachment process is very important for you to successfully move forward and inform other relationships with healthy attachment. If you don’t allow that process to take place, it will keep you stuck. This is what we call the baggage we end up bringing into other relationships.

Dr. Lisa: Replaying, checking, reaching out, texting, staying in contact. We had to stop doing those things, and instead start doing a new set of things that will begin closing some doors, opening others, and helping us break free.

Jesse: Some breakups really do mimic a lot of the same things we see in PTSD — this hypervigilance, these intrusive thoughts. And if we’re having those things and then we go, “Oh, let me just go check their Facebook,” or, “Let me reread my text messages,” or look at pictures in our albums, we’re resetting. It’s two steps forward, one step back.

Dr. Lisa: My guest today is Jesse Stanley, a licensed marriage and family therapist with Growing Self. He’s also a board-certified coach with the most beautiful, warm, direct, grounding style, especially when emotions get intense. He has specialized training and lots of experience in breakup recovery coaching. He and I co-facilitate our Heartbreak Recovery Intensive together, and I’m so glad to introduce you to him.

Jesse: Thanks for having me. The recovery process of going through grief and going through heartbreak is not on a specific timeline. I hear so often, “I should be over this by now.” Everyone’s on a different journey. For some people, they process it and move on months afterwards. For some people it lingers longer, and that’s okay, and that’s normal.

Dr. Lisa: Time alone does not heal this necessarily. There are ways of doing that more quickly than others. What we so often see is that a lot of people who are dealing with a broken heart or had a traumatic relationship loss are doing things — and they don’t even realize that what they’re doing is helping to perpetuate that attachment and keep them from moving on. There’s just no visibility into it.

Jesse: One of the things I look at, I call the factory accident sign. You go into a factory and it’s like, “It’s been this many days since our last incident,” and they have this timer. There are things people do when they’re going through heartbreak and a breakup that reset that clock way too often.

Jesse: It’s the, “Oh, I’m gonna still be friends with them on social media and occasionally look at what they’re posting.” So I’m checking their Instagram, checking their Facebook. This could even be people who break up and still try to remain friends. People are capable of being friends with exes — but usually there’s a specific timing of that. Sometimes there needs to be a break and you come back to it later. But people try to go from “yesterday we were engaged” to “now tomorrow we’re just friends and we’re gonna hang out.”

Dr. Lisa: It’s an emotional accident, and now we have to change the numbers on the sign. Every time you do those things, it perpetuates this attachment bond that, in reality, is really not good for you. If the relationship is truly unsustainable and there is no future, maintaining that level of attachment is only going to keep you stuck.

Jesse: Our bodies are going through an actual chemical change. There’s physiology in a breakup. You were connected, you were attached to this other person, and that detachment process is very important for you to successfully move forward and inform other relationships with healthy attachment. If you don’t allow that process to take place, it will keep you stuck. So you will go through actual physical withdrawal.

Jesse: One of the major breakups I went through, there were months where I literally was having nightmares every single night. Some breakups really do mimic a lot of the same things we see in PTSD — hypervigilance, intrusive thoughts. And then if we, “Oh, let me just go check their Facebook” or “let me reread my text messages” or go look at pictures in our albums and do these things, we’re resetting. It’s two steps forward, one step back.

Dr. Lisa: We are really hardwired to attach to other humans, and when those bonds are broken, it really is a trauma on a very visceral level. Jesse and I co-facilitate our Heartbreak Recovery Intensive, and one of the things I hear over and over again is how impactful it is for people to understand that, particularly in the beginning phases, the thoughts, the feelings, the cravings for contact they’re having toward their ex — it is not information that should be acted on. It’s a biologically based survival drive. In our program we refer to it as the elephant: big, powerful, and it can run the show.

Dr. Lisa: The risk is for people to interpret that as, “I love them. We should be together. This is the relationship for me,” and then move toward that. Because that can happen even in the context of a very unhealthy, unsustainable relationship. It feels counterintuitive.

Jesse: You do care about this person. They were somebody who was important to you for a long period of time. You might have kids with them. In work I’ve done in the past with people who are exiting abusive relationships, there was such conflict within them — logically they understood, “This person is dangerous, this is unhealthy, I should not be there,” but then there was another part of them that’s like, “But I love them.”

Dr. Lisa: It feels so powerful. One of the things we try to teach is that your thinking brain — “this person is an abusive psychopath” — literally is different from how you feel on that attachment bond.

Jesse: And it’s tough because these people, they’ve got friends and family they typically would lean on for support, but sometimes they don’t share because they’re worried about being judged. “Oh, but I still care about them,” or, “I can’t stop thinking about them,” and the friend says, “Oh, they were terrible for you. Just stop, get over it.” So they don’t share, and they end up siloed, going through these big emotions and these big internal drives to seek connection — alone.

Dr. Lisa: That’s such a great point. It’s so isolating. If you say to your best friend, “I still think about them all the time,” and they dismiss it or make you feel like there’s something wrong with you for feeling that way, you start hiding it. But then you’re alone with it. That’s honestly one of the most powerful things that has come out of how I want to work with this over the last few years. For years, both for me and for you, we were trying to walk people through this through individual sessions — week after week, coming and talking to Lisa about how you feel.

Dr. Lisa: We wound up shifting into this group intensive format, and some people are, like, “I don’t know, being in a group of other people and talking about this.” There’s anxiety about it. But what has been so powerful is bringing groups of people together where they’re like, “Oh, it’s not just me.”

Jesse: Comparing the people I’ve worked with individually through heartbreak versus people in the group, the people in the groups have a faster rate of change. Some people do the group and simultaneously work with me or you individually, and they’ll say, “I didn’t realize so many people are going through the same thing I was. Whoa, it’s so refreshing to hear that he or she said things that resonated with me.” That connection is amazing.

Dr. Lisa: Why is this so much faster? When we’re having our own experiences, it feels so true — I’m looking at the world from my own lens. As an individual therapist or coach, that’s the stance we take. But in a group, if somebody else is talking about how they feel, and the group sees it like, “Well, what about this?” — it’s easier to get psychological distance and perspective when you see someone else going through something. You can look at someone else and be like, “Oh, no, that’s not true. They’re telling themselves that’s their fault, but when they tell the story, I can hear they didn’t do anything wrong.” And then when they tell their own story and say, “No, it’s my fault,” there’s this — wait a minute — that kind of lets it sink in a little bit more.

Jesse: There’s something about supporting other people that is super healing as well. I’ve seen people dispense advice or comment on someone’s thing, and you can see them say the thing and then they’re like, “Oh, this applies to me.” Just having this realization as the words come out of their mouth.

Jesse: So we don’t want to reset the clock — or avoid it as much as possible. One of the things I encourage people very early on: are you still connected to your ex in any way? Social media, do you cross paths socially? For some people it’s impossible — they work in the same office, or they’re co-parenting. But for people who don’t have required contact, I always encourage: block, unfollow, just rip off the Band-Aid, because then it becomes this unexpected intrusion. I’m just hanging out, scrolling, and all of a sudden — there they are with their new partner. Or I see a picture, and now they’re on my mind, and I click on it, and I look, and I reminisce, and my whole night is ruined.

Jesse: One of the traps that gets people stuck is this idea of closure. They’re like, “I didn’t get closure. I need closure.” And they’re expecting this person who wasn’t able to be there, be present, or be the type of person they needed in the relationship to suddenly give them this very wise, well-thought-out gift of closure.

Jesse: Even if they were able to articulate that in a really great way — in a way they weren’t ever able to do in the relationship — that would not be the sudden magic thing that’s gonna make everything click. The light bulb does not go off. You don’t suddenly feel free. Closure is something you give yourself. You don’t need to rely on that person, who’s either unable, unwilling, or just not there, to give it to you. There’s a lot of control you have over that yourself.

Jesse: I talk about relationships like airplanes. Not every plane you get on brings you to your final destination. Sometimes there’s a layover, sometimes a mechanical issue and you land early. If you’ve ever gotten off a really bad flight and someone asked, “How was your flight?” — frequently the answer is, “Oh, it was terrible, the landing was so rough.” We forget that in the course of an eight-hour flight, maybe five minutes was white-knuckle. For seven hours and 55 minutes, things were okay. The takeoff was smooth. There was a great movie. The person next to me was nice. We looked at the Grand Canyon. Those little snippets of good can exist in parallel with, “We had a really crappy landing.” It still brought me forward in life — and I can also acknowledge maybe I never want to fly that airline again.

Dr. Lisa: When people are feeling victimized by the way the relationship ended, or disempowered, or when things were done to them that were outside their control, or they’re waiting for closure that feels outside their control — that is part of what keeps people stuck. The biggest shifts I’ve seen are when people take their power back and start thinking about the relationship not as, “I got kicked off that airplane,” but, “That was actually not that good for me, and I don’t want to fly that airline ever again anyway.” It’s a decision: I don’t want to participate in whatever that was anymore — as opposed to feeling like something was taken away from them without their consent.

Jesse: That shift is very empowering. That person feels more in control of their life. When I see people start to do that, they’re not waiting for this person to give them something — they’re able to claim it for themselves. Their own freedom, their own autonomy. They can make a decision of, “Wow, I am so happy that relationship is now over, and I can focus on who I want to be now,” and make really good, smart choices about the relationships they get into in the future.

Dr. Lisa: Stopping doing the things that will keep you stuck is part of it, but there also needs to be direction for people on what to do to start getting unstuck. We’re now offering a coach training program for therapists to be able to conduct this heartbreak recovery process — because, throwing no shade on therapists, the reality is that it surprises people to hear this, but therapists do not learn anything specifically about heartbreak recovery or relationship loss. I certainly didn’t in my training as a marriage and family therapist. Did you?

Jesse: No, no. I think people assume they go to their therapist or even a marriage and family therapist and this person should know how to help them through this. A well-educated therapist can certainly help you out, but a specifically educated therapist or coach can help you out even more. I bring my car to the brake shop to get its brakes done. I don’t bring it to the paint shop. The same is true of how you pick a therapist or a coach — you want to make sure that person is a great fit.

Dr. Lisa: Therapists are well-meaning, but it’s literally not part of their training. Where a therapist will go is typically around grief — they will absolutely hold space, and you can talk about how you feel and tell the stories. But because therapists are really trained to diagnose and treat mental health conditions, it will often turn into, “Okay, so what are your issues that are making it so hard to move on?” And we’re talking about your attachment issues, or that your parents got divorced, or that you’re anxious. That can add to the disempowerment, because then people take that and think, “Yeah, what’s wrong with me that I can’t move on?” When the reality is, literally anyone — the most emotionally healthy, securely attached human — if they go through a traumatic relationship loss, is going to feel exactly the same way. The path to healing isn’t trying to find the psychopathology, or even just grieving. You need to do some very specific things differently, and therapists aren’t trained for that.

Jesse: Once you get through that grief portion, talking about attachment and all the things therapists will run through, it’s like, “Okay, cool. What next?” That’s where coaching is really great to hand the baton to, because it’s very action-oriented. “Okay, this is what we’re gonna do now. We’re gonna make an action plan and move forward in a positive, constructive way.”

Jesse: Outside of things we’ve discussed — good boundaries, stopping following them on social media — what I start to see is people giving themselves permission to live their life and do the things they want to do. They don’t have to ask somebody for permission. They’re able to navigate life for a moment and ask, “Who am I today outside of this relationship? Who do I want to be?” Especially in relationships that have been going on a long time, your identity is, “I’m part of this couple.” It may have been five years, ten years since I was single. Now it’s, “Okay, who am I now?”

Jesse: What I want for anybody I work with — what I really focus on — is for people to develop self-generated confidence and self-generated happiness that relies on nobody but themselves. If I lean all of my confidence and happiness in that one relationship basket and it doesn’t work out, it collapses and I’m like, “How do I function?” Instead, if I’m a fully functioned human being and I’m happy and confident, and I meet another person, ideally that’s an amplification of the confidence and happiness — because that’s what a healthy relationship will do. I don’t require that relationship to have those things.

Jesse: Some of that is: what am I doing? Your physical health is really important. Are you exercising and taking care of yourself, eating and drinking appropriately? As much as I have tried, no amount of alcohol has made my breakup ever better. Community is huge — re-engaging with friends and relationships that are positive and healthy. People in relationships get caught up in their relationship and neglect their friendships.

Dr. Lisa: Other actions I’ve seen people take in our groups that were so powerful: experiential work. In our last intensive, one of our participants had a memento from her past relationship she’d had in her house for years. Through the support of the group, she was encouraged to throw it away. She had a lot of resistance. But then she took a picture of the memento on top of the trash can and posted it to the community, and everybody was like, “Yay!” She came back to our next session like a new woman: “This no longer has power over me.” Another participant — same thing. A box of stuff was removed from the home and driven away, and he came back and said, “I am a different human now.”

Jesse: The house someone lives in is sometimes such a triggering memory. It’s like a museum — they’re walking through the skeleton of their old relationship. I’m not saying you have to do a wholesale purge. But anything that is charged with energy — you see that thing and you’re like, “Oh, it reminds me of that person” — that should be evaluated for going. If you’re keeping the apartment, can you reclaim this space for yourself? Repaint the room, change the orientation of the furniture, put a different plant, get new lamps. Take ownership of a space so that when you walk into it, you’re like, “Oh, this is not the living room I walked into every day with my ex.”

Jesse: Same for songs and locations. I had a client once who said, “I can never listen to music again,” at a whole scale. I said, maybe we should work on that. There are these things — don’t let this person take from you. You enjoyed music prior to knowing this person existed. I would like for you to be able to enjoy music after. There had been a song associated with an ex of mine I could not listen to forever. Now if it were playing, I might not even notice. There are ways to get there.

Jesse: In the beginning of any type of heartbreak, it’s all-encompassing. It’s like when we’re sick — if I have a really horrible cold, or a broken leg, every single moment I’m thinking, “I can’t breathe through my nose, I can’t sleep, my head hurts.” I can’t think of anything else. Now, if I asked you to think about a time you had a cold, you could remember, “Oh yeah, I was sick and stuffy” — but you don’t experience it right now. That’s what ends up happening with breakups eventually. When you’re going through it, it’s like having the cold. But then you do the work.

Dr. Lisa: That’s such a hopeful thought. When people are really stuck in this, it feels so big — “How am I ever going to feel like myself again?” With the right help and the right support, the end of this is that you don’t really think about it at all. You don’t even notice the song. Through this intensive process, I’ve been astounded at how quickly people move into that space. Honestly, by the six- or seven-week mark, they don’t even want to talk about the ex anymore. They’re thinking more about, “Who am I now? What do I want in my life? What do I need to learn or do differently?” The ex starts to feel irrelevant.

Jesse: They’re kind of almost annoyed. They’re like, “I don’t want to waste time talking about that person anymore. Let’s talk about where I’m going.”

Key takeaways

What to take with you

01

The recovery clock resets every time you make contact.

Checking their social, rereading old texts, staying friends too soon, even casual reach-outs. Each one is a small attachment refresher. Healing follows the absence of these behaviors, not the passage of time alone.

02

Your thinking brain and your attachment brain disagree, and that is normal.

The pull you feel toward someone is biological, not informational. Wanting to text them doesn’t mean you should be together. It means you were once attached and your nervous system is still recalibrating.

03

Closure is something you give yourself.

Waiting for the right conversation, the right apology, or the right explanation from someone unable or unwilling to give it has kept countless people stuck for years. The closure conversation that finally lands is the one you have with yourself.

04

Heartbreak recovery groups move people faster than one-on-one work.

Watching someone else identify their own stuck patterns gives you the psychological distance to see your own. It’s the mechanism behind the speed, and the reason coaching with the right community structure outpaces talk therapy for this specific issue.

05

You will not always feel like this.

When you’re in the middle of heartbreak it’s all-encompassing, the way a bad cold is when you have it. Once you’ve moved through, you can remember it without re-experiencing it. The work is real, and it works.

The article

How to Get Over a Broken Heart: What Really Works (When Nothing Else Has)

A year. Two years. Five years. Ten years. Still stuck on the same person. If you are reading this and any of those numbers landed somewhere specific, I want to say something to you before anything else.

This is not a life sentence.

I run a group practice of therapists and coaches who work with broken hearts every single day, and I want to tell you something we have learned that almost nobody talks about. Most of the people who walk into our heartbreak recovery work have read the books. They have read the articles. They know what they are supposed to do. The problem is not information. The problem is that knowing what to do and being able to actually do it, at 2 AM after seeing a photo of your ex with someone new, are two completely different things. What I am going to share with you in this article is real, and it will give you language for what is happening to you. But the actual work, the part where you do it differently next Tuesday at 9pm, is the work my team does with people every day. I am writing this article to help you. I am also writing it to be honest about what helping you actually looks like.

In the episode this article is based on, I sat down with my colleague Jesse Stanley, a licensed marriage and family therapist and board-certified coach who co-facilitates our Heartbreak Recovery Intensive group with me. Between us, we have watched a lot of people walk in still tangled up in a relationship that ended months or years ago, and walk out free of it. What follows is what we have seen actually work.

Why Can’t I Get Over My Ex, Even After Years?

The honest answer is that you are not failing at this. You are doing exactly what your nervous system is built to do when it loses someone it was attached to, which is to keep looking for them.

Romantic attachment is biological. When you fall in love, your brain’s reward system floods with dopamine, oxytocin, and endogenous opioids, the same neurochemistry that governs reward, bonding, and pain relief. When a relationship ends, those chemicals drop. Researchers at Rutgers and Albert Einstein College of Medicine, including Helen Fisher’s team, have demonstrated this directly in functional MRI studies of recently rejected adults. The brain regions that activate when you look at a photo of an ex you cannot stop thinking about are the same regions that activate during cocaine craving (Fisher et al., 2010). That is not a metaphor. That is the actual neuroscience of being stuck.

Which means: the cravings, the intrusive thoughts, the inability to stop checking, the way you feel like you are losing your mind, those are not character flaws. They are withdrawal symptoms. Real ones. With a measurable physiological signature.

Most people we work with in our heartbreak recovery practice figured out a long time ago that whatever they were doing was not working. They had read the articles. They had told themselves to give it time. What they did not have was a clear-eyed account of what was actually happening in their nervous system, and a structured process for working with it instead of against it. That gap, between knowing something is wrong and knowing what to do about it, is exactly where coaching with a heartbreak-specialized clinician becomes useful.

What Keeps People Stuck After a Breakup?

In our work together over the past few years, Jesse and I have noticed that the people who stay stuck the longest are not doing anything dramatic. They are doing small things, every day, that keep the attachment refreshed.

Jesse describes it as resetting the factory accident sign. You know the kind you see in industrial buildings: “This many days since our last incident.” There are behaviors that reset the heartbreak recovery clock the same way. Every time you do one, the clock goes back to zero.

What kinds of behaviors? The ones that keep you in contact with the version of your life that included this person. Checking their social media, even casually. Rereading old texts. Staying friends too soon. Keeping the playlist that you both listened to in heavy rotation. Driving past the restaurant you used to go to together. Reaching out with a hey, just thinking of you, no big deal. None of these are catastrophic on their own. Each one is a tiny attachment refresher. And cumulatively, they are the reason you have not moved forward.

This is the part where most articles say no contact and call it done. Jesse and I would say something slightly different. The real question is not whether you go no-contact. The real question is whether you are willing to stop feeding the attachment, in all the small ways you have been feeding it, long enough for the actual physiological process of detachment to finish.

And here is the truth about that. Doing it alone is hard. Not because you are weak. Because you are trying to override an attachment pattern your nervous system has been doing for months or years, while you are also living in the house, looking at the photos, hearing the songs, and managing your life. That is the hardest possible time to try new behavior. It is almost impossible to do alone. What works, in our experience, is having someone in your corner who can help you notice when you are about to reset the clock and walk you through doing it differently. That is what coaching with a heartbreak recovery specialist on my team actually is, in practice. Not lectures. A real ongoing relationship with someone who is paying attention to your specific patterns and is in your corner while you do hard new things.

Why Does a Breakup Feel Like Physical Withdrawal?

Because it is physical withdrawal. This is one of the points in the recording where I think Jesse said it best: our bodies are going through an actual chemical change. The bond was real, the detachment is real, and the symptoms are real.

People going through heartbreak commonly report sleep disruption, intrusive thoughts, hypervigilance, mood swings, appetite changes, and physical chest pain. Some of this looks remarkably similar to the symptom profile of post-traumatic stress. The chest pain is not metaphorical. Research from Naomi Eisenberger’s lab at UCLA has demonstrated that the brain regions that activate during social rejection overlap with the regions that activate during physical pain, specifically the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex and the anterior insula (Eisenberger, 2012). The reason heartbreak feels like a physical injury is that, neurologically, it partly is one.

Naming this matters, because the cultural script around heartbreak treats it as a feeling you should be able to manage with willpower. You cannot willpower your way out of an attachment-system disruption any more than you can willpower your way out of a broken bone. You can, however, work with it intentionally. Which is what the rest of this article is about.

The Difference Between Your Thinking Brain and Your Attachment Brain

Here is the thing nobody tells you about a hard breakup, especially a breakup from a relationship that was, on balance, not actually good for you. You can know with complete clarity that this person was not right, and still feel an overwhelming pull to be with them. Both of those things can be true at the same time. They are happening in different parts of your brain.

In the heartbreak recovery work we do, Jesse and I talk about this as the difference between the thinking brain and the attachment brain. Your thinking brain knows the relationship was unsustainable. It can tell the story. It can list the reasons. Your attachment brain does not care. Your attachment brain is asking a much simpler question, which is: where did my person go and how do I get them back.

This is the conflict that keeps people in unhealthy or even abusive relationships long after they have intellectually decided to leave. Jesse has done significant work with people exiting abusive relationships, and he describes the internal experience over and over again as this: logically I know this person is dangerous, and another part of me cannot stop loving them. Both of those things are real. They are not coming from the same neural circuitry. And it is not a moral failure that you feel the pull. It is biology.

The work is not making the pull go away. The work is learning to recognize the pull as information about your attachment system, not information about whether you should be together. That distinction is one of the most powerful shifts I have ever seen people make, and it is rarely something they can make alone. It is usually something they make with help.

Why Heartbreak Recovery Groups Move People Faster Than Individual Therapy

This one took me a while to fully understand. For years, when someone came to me with a broken heart, I worked with them one-on-one. They would come in, we would talk, and the work would get done eventually. But Jesse and I started running heartbreak recovery groups together, and what we noticed was hard to ignore.

People in the group were moving faster. Significantly faster. Six weeks in, they were having shifts that often took six months in individual work. I wanted to know why.

Here is the mechanism, as best as I can name it. When you are inside your own story, the story feels true. Your thinking brain is doing the talking, and it is saying things like “I should have done more” or “it was my fault” or “there was something I missed,” and from the inside, those statements feel like facts. A skilled coach can challenge them, and that work is genuinely useful. But there is something about hearing someone else tell a strikingly similar story, and watching the rest of the group see clearly that the story is not the truth, that lands differently than anything someone could say to you directly.

You can look at someone else and see, in three minutes, that they did not do anything wrong. They tried much harder than they should have. The relationship was the problem, not them. And then they tell their own story and they conclude that they failed, and something happens in your head where you go: wait. If that is not true for them, why am I so sure it is true for me?

This is the dynamic that meta-analyses of group-based interventions for prolonged grief have been documenting (Moray, Çakır, & Kargı, 2025). The peer-witnessing element is doing real work, and it is doing it faster than insight delivered by a single clinician across many sessions. I have watched it happen now with enough people that I no longer wonder whether it is true. I think individual heartbreak work is good. I think the right group work, with the right structure, is faster.

This is why our heartbreak recovery practice has shifted toward group intensive formats wherever possible. There is also a group coaching program for people working on exactly this who want to do the work alongside others going through the same thing. If you are reading this article and the years-stuck part landed, that is the format I would point you toward first.

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Can I Get Closure on My Own?

This is the question that keeps people stuck for years, sometimes decades. And I think it gets asked the wrong way.

The standard version of the closure question is something like: how do I get them to talk to me one more time so they can explain what happened and I can finally move on. And I understand why that is the question. It feels like there is a missing piece of information that, if you could just get it, would let you put the relationship away. So you wait. You hope. You leave the door cracked open just in case. And then years pass.

Here is what Jesse said in our conversation that I think is the most important sentence anyone has said to me about closure in a decade: closure is something you give yourself. You cannot rely on a person who was unable to be present, or unwilling to be honest, or simply not available to suddenly become wise and articulate and able to give you the gift of a perfect explanation. Even if they could, even if they did, even if they wrote you the most beautifully crafted apology you could imagine, the light bulb does not go off. You do not suddenly feel free. That is not how the human nervous system works.

What actually creates closure is a decision you make about what the relationship was and what it was not. It is not their reframe of the story. It is yours. And the version of you who is currently waiting for them to give you closure, and the version of you who could write your own version, are two different versions. The work of becoming the second version is real, and it is the work.

This is one of the most common conversations we have with clients in our heartbreak recovery practice. The shift from waiting for closure to creating your own is the precondition for everything else. Until you make that move, the door stays cracked open, and as long as the door is open, the attachment cannot fully release.

Taking Your Power Back After a Breakup

There is a moment in the recording where Jesse uses a metaphor I have been thinking about ever since. He says that relationships are like airplanes. Not every plane you get on brings you to your final destination. Sometimes there is a mechanical issue. Sometimes there is bad weather. Sometimes the landing is rough.

When you get off a flight that had a bad landing, you do not generally conclude that the whole flight was wasted. There were seven hours and fifty-five minutes of okay flight. There was the in-flight movie. There was the conversation with the person next to you. There was the view from the window. And the landing was bad, and you also do not ever want to fly that airline again. Both things are true at the same time, and they live in parallel.

This metaphor is helpful for a specific kind of stuck. The kind where you feel like a victim of the relationship, like the way it ended was done to you, like you were kicked off the plane. There is a quiet but radical shift available, and it is this: you were not kicked off the plane. You realized you did not want to keep flying that airline. The relationship was not taken from you. You were also done. You also did not want to keep doing what you had been doing, and on some level you knew it, and the ending is partly a permission slip you finally let yourself accept.

This shift is one of the most powerful things we see in heartbreak recovery work. The person stops being a victim of the story and starts being the author of it. That is not a denial of what happened. It is a reclamation of agency. And the moment it happens, everything else gets easier.

If you have read this section and recognized yourself in it, our team does this work with people every week. It is not the kind of shift you usually make on your own, because the version of you currently in the story cannot easily see outside of it. That is exactly the gap that coaching is built for.

Why Therapy Alone May Keep You Stuck

I am going to say something here that I do not say lightly, because I am a therapist and I do not want to be glib about my own profession. Most therapists are not trained in heartbreak recovery specifically. We were trained to diagnose and treat mental health conditions. We can absolutely hold space for grief. We can absolutely help you tell the story of what happened. We can absolutely explore attachment patterns from childhood and the way they show up in your adult relationships. All of that is real work, and it has its place.

The honest truth is that traditional talk therapy alone is often not the most efficient path through heartbreak. There is a reason for that. Therapy is structured to explore the diagnosis, the history, the underlying patterns. Heartbreak recovery is structured to do specific things differently right now. Those are not the same project. And many of the people who walk into our heartbreak recovery work have already been in therapy for two years, three years, sometimes longer, and they are still stuck on the same person.

Jesse made a comparison in the recording that I keep thinking about. If your brakes are going bad on your car, you take it to a brake shop. Not the paint shop. Therapy and heartbreak recovery coaching are different specialties. A good therapist can absolutely help with adjacent issues, and many people benefit from both. But the specific work of moving someone out of stuck is action-oriented in a way that traditional talk therapy is not always designed to be. If you want a clearer read on the difference between coaching and counseling, that is the explainer to start with.

This is why our practice offers heartbreak recovery coaching as a distinct service. The coach is trained specifically in the methodology that moves people through. The container is built around action and accountability. The conversation is structured. And the timeline is faster, on average, than open-ended therapy. If you are reading this and you have been in therapy for a while and you are not where you want to be, that is the signal I would point you to.

How to Actually Start Healing From a Broken Heart

Here is the part where I want to give you something practical, because I know that is what you came here for. There are real things you can do. They are not magic. They work.

The first one is stopping the small daily behaviors that reset the recovery clock. We covered this earlier. It is the foundation. If you do not stop feeding the attachment, nothing else will work. The companion to this is our existing piece on the stages of a breakup, which walks through the arc of where these behaviors usually show up.

The second is reclaiming the things this person took ownership of in your mind. The song you cannot listen to. The restaurant you cannot go to. The room in your house that still feels like theirs. Each of these has charge on it right now, and the work is to gently, intentionally, take them back. Repaint the room. Play the song deliberately one Tuesday afternoon when you have given yourself permission to feel whatever happens. Drive past the restaurant. Walk into the park. Each act of reclamation is a small declaration that this person does not own this part of your life anymore.

The third is building what Jesse calls self-generated confidence. The confidence that is sourced in you, not in your relationship status, not in someone else’s regard. This is slow work. It is also the difference between healing from heartbreak and rebuilding a foundation that does not collapse again the next time something hard happens.

And the fourth is community. Not generic community. The right community. People who are doing the same work, or who have done it. People who can witness you. People who do not need you to be over it on a schedule. This is also why the group format works the way it does in our heartbreak recovery practice. The community itself is part of the healing. If the longing piece of this is where you are stuck, our piece on why you miss your ex is a useful companion.

Why reading this article probably isn’t enough, and what to do about it

I want to be honest with you about something. The frameworks I just walked you through are real and they work. People use them. Lives change because of them. But I would be doing you a disservice if I let you close this article thinking that reading it was the work.

Here is what almost always happens. You read an article like this one. Something clicks. You feel a little hopeful. You make a mental note to try the new approach the next time the urge to check their social hits. And then it hits, and your nervous system does what it has been doing for months or years, and you find yourself, an hour later, looking at photos and trying to understand why you cannot stop.

The reason is simple. You are not unmotivated, and you are not broken. You are trying to override an entire attachment pattern by yourself, in the exact moment that pattern is most active. That is the hardest possible time to do new behavior. It is almost impossible to do alone.

What works is having someone in your corner who knows your specific patterns. Someone you can message after a hard moment. Someone who can help you debrief and recalibrate before the next one. That is what coaching with our heartbreak recovery team actually is. Not lectures. Not generic advice. A real ongoing relationship with someone whose job is to be paying attention to your specific life.

If something in this article landed somewhere specific, that is the signal to talk to someone. We do free first conversations. No pressure, no commitment. Just a real conversation about what is actually going on for you, and whether what we do here might be useful.

How Long Does It Really Take to Heal From a Breakup?

This is the question I get most often, and I want to be honest about it. There is no fixed timeline. Anyone who tells you it takes a specific number of weeks or months for everyone is selling you something.

What I can tell you, from years of doing this work with hundreds of people, is that the speed depends almost entirely on two things. One is whether you are still doing the daily behaviors that keep the attachment fed. If you are, healing will not happen no matter how much time passes. The other is whether you have support that is built specifically for this. People doing this work in the right container, with the right structure, often move through it faster than they thought they could.

There is a metaphor we use in the group. When you are inside heartbreak, it is like having a really bad cold. Every moment of every day, you cannot breathe, you cannot sleep, you cannot think about anything else. It is the only thing. And then the cold passes, and you can remember being sick without re-experiencing it. The memory is there, but it is not the room you are living in anymore. That is what the other side of heartbreak looks like.

And it does come. Not on the schedule you would prefer. But it comes. Especially when you stop fighting your own nervous system and start working with it.

If you are reading this and you have been stuck longer than you want to be, that is the signal. Not the signal to wait it out. The signal to reach out. Our team does free first conversations for exactly this. It is the most low-friction way I know to find out whether the work we do here is the right fit for what you are carrying. Whatever you decide after, you will at least know what is possible.

You do not have to do this alone. Almost nobody actually does it alone. That is not a flaw. That is the design.

XO,
Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby

About this episode’s experts

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Jesse Stanley

LMFT, BCC · Growing Self · Heartbreak Recovery

Jesse Stanley is a licensed marriage and family therapist and board-certified coach at Growing Self. He co-facilitates the Heartbreak Recovery Intensive with Dr. Lisa. His specialty areas include couples and family work, high-stress populations, and clinical supervision — and what makes him particularly effective in heartbreak recovery is significant experience working with people exiting abusive relationships, which means he has sat across from the disempowerment-to-power shift more times than most clinicians ever will. Before he became a therapist, Jesse spent twenty-three years in military leadership, retiring as a First Sergeant in a medical unit. The operational clarity in how he works, the directness, and the way he holds steadiness when emotions get loud, all trace back to that arc. Jesse takes new heartbreak recovery clients individually and co-facilitates the intensive group work.

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Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby

PhD, LP, LMFT, BCC · Founder, Growing Self

Licensed psychologist, marriage and family therapist, and Board Certified Coach. Founder of Growing Self Counseling & Coaching. Host of the Love, Happiness & Success podcast (15M+ downloads). 25+ years of clinical practice. Creator of the Growing Self Institute, where she trains licensed mental health professionals in evidence-based coaching psychology.

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Exaholics: Breaking Your Addiction to an Ex Love — Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby
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Sources cited in this episode

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