Nervous System Overload: Why You Don’t Feel Safe in Your Body (And How to Heal)
with Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby and Amy Kurtz
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The Gap Between Sick and Well Nobody Warned You About
Your body and your nervous system run on different timelines. Physical recovery and nervous-system recovery are two separate processes — and almost nobody tracks the second one.
Here’s something I see in my office almost every week. A woman comes in and her life looks good on paper. The illness has a diagnosis. The divorce is final. The baby is sleeping through the night. The caregiving year is behind her. The labs are clear. And she sits across from me and says some version of: “I should feel better than this. Why don’t I feel like myself yet?”
My guest is Amy Kurtz, a Hachette author, certified holistic health coach, and patient advocate who spent close to two decades trying to figure out why her body kept shutting down on her. After 36 doctors and a late-stage neurological Lyme diagnosis, she did the hard treatment, her body recovered — and she still didn’t feel better. She coined a phrase for exactly that experience: Medical Trauma Brain. Her new book, But You Look Fine, is published by Hachette/Balance.
We sat down to talk through the gap between physical recovery and nervous-system recovery — why your body can be fine on paper while your nervous system is still bracing for the next collapse, why this same pattern shows up after divorce, postpartum, caregiving, and burnout (not just illness), and what actually helps you teach your body that it’s safe to stop bracing.
“If you don’t feel safe in your body, you can’t ever fully heal.” — Amy Kurtz, Love, Happiness and Success Podcast
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Episode transcript
Amy Kurtz: I shifted from being a carefree teen to a teen in pain, which I now look back and see how hard that was in so many ways, because I was just trying to be like everybody else my age.
Dr. Lisa: On today’s episode of Love, Happiness, and Success, we are diving into something we have not discussed before: the reality of chronic health conditions, illnesses you’re still recovering from, things you are experiencing that really are impacting your health in a significant way — even if your doctor might not always be able to pinpoint the why.
Amy Kurtz: I just was never gonna buy into the narrative of how to be sick and tired. That was just not how I was gonna live. So I wanted to flip the narrative and show people how to make that a transformative experience for them, because it can be. Adversity in any way shows you what you’re made of.
Dr. Lisa: Today we’re speaking with Amy Kurtz, a health coach and medical advocate who specializes in helping people navigate this very unique life space. Amy is a Hachette author — her new book is called But You Look Fine. She is a certified holistic health coach, a patient advocate, and a human who has lived through a lot of what she teaches about. Amy, thank you so much for being here.
Amy Kurtz: Thank you for having me.
Amy Kurtz: I was 14 when I started to have signs of discomfort in my body. Being a 14-year-old girl is hard enough — then adding really intense back pain to it was the first time I felt myself pivot around something I was physically experiencing. I had the privilege to go to a lot of different doctors, and nobody could pinpoint the root cause. I just started taking anti-inflammatories. I shifted from being a carefree teen to a teen in pain.
Amy Kurtz: It wasn’t until I was 25 that I took a trip abroad and had a really extreme health crisis. My hair was falling out. I gained 30 pounds in 30 days. I couldn’t keep food down. I was so sick. I was gasping for air. Everything in my body said, “This is an emergency.” I had been in Israel — I must have eaten something. I came home, went to Western-minded physicians and specialists, took myself away from everything I ever knew, went through Eastern medicine, and landed somewhere in the middle along the way to functional medicine. I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and celiac, which are both true. But I was really throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what would stick. I thought I was better because my baseline was off.
Amy Kurtz: In that time, I wrote my first book, Kicking Sick — a love letter from my heart to the one in two Americans struggling with a chronic health condition. During the press for that book I felt like I looked like a picture of glowing health and happiness, and I would go home every night and be like, I have no idea how I’m gonna muster the energy to get back out there. I felt I was taking off a mask the time schedule demanded. So I went to my 36th doctor.
Dr. Lisa: Tenacity is one of your strengths, Amy.
Amy Kurtz: I went to him, mustered up all my strength and hope and finances, and just hoped he’d have a different answer that made more sense intuitively. I carried my Harry Potter anthology of medical records with me. He did all his testing, looked at me in a super steady way, and said: “I’m very clear what’s going on here. You have late-stage neurological Lyme and co-infections.” Everything inside my body knew it was true. I felt such an intense wave of grief that lasted for a while. He said, “You’ll feel like you have a new body. The treatments will be hard, but trust me, you’ll climb the mountain and then it’s gonna feel so much better.” And I did it, and I worked so hard — and then what happened surprised me.
Amy Kurtz: We live in a society that says you’re either sick or you’re well, and that there’s nothing in between. That’s both detrimental to a patient and kind of insane, because there is a spectrum. When I was 25, a rug was ripped out from under me. The whole time I thought, this is me as an actress, that’s my life, I’ll get back. And when I was better, nothing was where I left it.
Dr. Lisa: Your experience changed you.
Amy Kurtz: Everything I had hoped I would go back to was gone. It was over a decade later and everything had changed. I felt like I had watched this cruise ship that I thought would be my life leave the station. I got a lot better, and I started to feel bad in a new way. I think the grief was the loss of identity, the loss of the dreams I had for my life, the loss of the ability to choose what direction I was going into. A lot of us shelve it — I’ll deal with it later. So what happened to me is it came crashing down, because I physically was better but my mind hadn’t gotten the memo.
Amy Kurtz: I explain it like you’re in such survival stress that you’re literally a hamster on a wheel just going, trying to get better, trying to get better. Then my body was better. It was off the wheel, but my mind hadn’t gotten the memo. It manifested in severe anxiety, severe fear that everything was gonna come back, a type of obsessive hypervigilance when I would get scared or have an onset of any symptom. It wasn’t until my husband said something to me that I realized — oh my God, what I’ve been through is a trauma.
Dr. Lisa: Yes. That’s just what I was sitting here thinking about. Exactly.
Amy Kurtz: And nobody had ever said that. So I started to look. I interviewed physicians, and once I brought it up, a lot of them would say, “Yeah, I have seen that. It’s like when the patient is in remission, or they’re better, but they’re not acting as if they’re better.” I said, yes, that’s exactly it. What is it called? No one could tell me. Then I interviewed thousands of patients, and people would say, “Oh my God, that is exactly how I feel.” But because there had been no language and no framework for the recovery part of illness, nobody even knew they were experiencing it.
Amy Kurtz: It’s something I have named Medical Trauma Brain, or MTB. But the experience of living with it feels like what I call the shadowlands. I was out to dinner with my friends. I was laughing. I was having a good time. But my brain was locked somewhere far away that felt like a sandstorm desert. I was also grappling with the fact that I went from 25 to 40 like that. The more I talk to patients, this is a very universal feeling. And it’s not just for patients with invisible illnesses — it’s also for people who have suffered with acute illnesses like a stroke, cancer, or a horrible car accident.
Dr. Lisa: Birth trauma is where I’ve heard a lot of it.
Amy Kurtz: Yes. Because there’s this expectation that you just get back to it. Everything’s changed. Literally everything has changed. That’s why I started to write But You Look Fine. I hope it gives the 194 million Americans living with chronic disease a roadmap for the recovery part of illness — because the expectation is that once we get the right diagnosis or we’re cured or in remission, we should just be fine. But it’s so life-altering in every single way, and there’s until now been no roadmap for the aftermath.
Dr. Lisa: There are two pieces here that you’re talking about that are so profoundly important. First is the internal strength to be able to validate your own experience and advocate for yourself in the face of a culture that is sometimes very actively negating your experience. “But you look fine. The test results don’t show anything that’s wrong.” Take us into what you teach people about how to be self-supporting in a culture and a system that isn’t gonna do that for them.
Amy Kurtz: If you went to a doctor because something felt off, it is. If somebody makes you feel as if you’re making it up, they’re not the right doctor for you. There are so many doctors to choose from. We as women specifically are taught to defer to the person in power. But there’s nobody that cares more about you getting better than you, and nobody who’s gonna make it happen more than you.
Amy Kurtz: What gets complex within this medical landscape is that there isn’t enough patient agency. The patient becomes submissive because the doctor knows best. And then sometimes that can make you question yourself. I cannot tell you how many times someone said, “But you look fine,” or, “Do you need a Xanax,” — all these invalidating statements that almost made me question myself. The ultimate most important part about being a patient is reclaiming or keeping your agency. You are half of the healing equation, and 80% of the things you do for your health are completely up to you, entirely out of the doctor’s office.
Amy Kurtz: You have to get really clear on what it is in a dynamic with someone — like a doctor — that you need to feel safe. Getting to know yourself intimately and making a list of five non-negotiables you need in someone you’re seeing. It really is a partnership. You can always walk away from invalidating or gaslighting.
Dr. Lisa: Your work has two parts. One is supporting people on this incredibly harrowing journey of battling back toward health, finding the right support. And then comes the trauma recovery, the grieving, the reclamation of self and rebuilding. For those of our friends in part one, who are in the gray and haven’t found answers, what would you say?
Amy Kurtz: A lot of my writing tells stories about how I started out so tenacious and so clear about what I was feeling, and then based on certain behaviors I would start to question myself. This isn’t post-traumatic stress because it’s not one incident. It’s also not complex post-traumatic stress because that’s an incident over and over. But in this case — the threat is your body. And it can make you have a deep mistrust of it. It’s really important to be seeking help with a mental health professional while you are going through a physical challenge. It goes back to your very basic instincts and listening to your body and working with your nervous system. Because if you’re locked in fight or flight, and you’re trying to get better, you can’t hear all of the body’s signals.
Amy Kurtz: Your body is sending you signals all the time. It tells you, you have to pee, but so often you’re like, “Oh, I gotta do this, this, this. I’ll hold it.” Or “I’m thirsty, too busy, I’ll drink later.” Or “I’m hungry.” It’s really thinking about yourself as this inner child. How would you let that kid go through a hard challenge? How would you want to connect to yourself every day on a basic level that’s not about running, but about tuning in? So many things are missed because we’re running, not living, that it can feel like your self-trust is eroded.
Dr. Lisa: You get disconnected from yourself, from your physical experience. Perhaps step one is just to reestablish an unconditionally loving relationship with yourself, where you would give yourself as much consideration as a child who’s saying, “Something hurts,” or, “I need to pee.” That’s the foundation to believe you’re worthy of care and health, and to keep going and find a medical professional or a treatment that takes what you’re going through seriously.
Dr. Lisa: Looking back through your journey — 36 or 37 tries to find the right person — if you had a time machine, what would you have done differently that somebody else in the early stages could use to shave a year or three off their process?
Amy Kurtz: Easy does it. Slow and steady. A lot of people will throw a lot of things at you and you don’t even know what’s working. There are so many times in my own story where I’d go get blood work and the same nurse would stick me five times, and everything inside myself was saying, “I should be asking for somebody else,” but I didn’t, because I wanted to be a good patient. That’s not the way anybody’s gonna get better.
Amy Kurtz: It’s crucial to be working with a therapist who has experience in trauma. I’ve learned a lot from world-renowned experts I got to interview in my new book, like Dr. Gabor Maté and Peter Levine. It’s really important to figure out what you need in a doctor. I wasted a lot of time with people that weren’t going to help me in the way I needed. Before appointments, be really prepared. You want to be seeing a doctor who has seen people like you before, has a curious, open mind, trusts your opinion and validates your experience, and is always willing to send you to someone else if they don’t have the answers. If you’re not getting that, those are red flags. And you have to be a really organized patient because a lot of times you’ll feel rushed.
Dr. Lisa: Those are fantastic recommendations for how to vet a medical professional. And I heard you say how important it is to have a relationship with a therapist who can support you mentally and emotionally. It can be very difficult to assess the goodness of fit for a therapist. The million-dollar question with a therapist is to ask: how would you help me? What does the path of healing look like with you? Expect them to describe something that sounds coherent and is based on something. Especially in therapy, it can be vague and process-oriented. A therapist should be able to articulate in words how their approach works.
Amy Kurtz: Educate yourself on mind-based therapy and body-based therapy — they’re two different things. I hopped all the way around and found a mix of things that work for me. We live in a country that sees the physical body as separate from the mental, emotional self, and that’s so detrimental to the patient. I saw a light bulb going off when I would say it almost feels like a ghost is behind you. For a cancer patient, this could look like extreme fear going back for their scan once they’re in remission. For a Lyme patient, a twinge of joint pain or being in a tick-heavy area. For a rheumatoid arthritis patient, hand pain. You feel like you’re on this slide back to where you were before.
Dr. Lisa: I’d love to dive more deeply into that part — when physical healing has been achieved, how you guide people through metabolizing the trauma, processing the grief, and coming to the mental and emotional process of healing. The journey is not over until you get the rest of the way there.
Amy Kurtz: If you’re a patient and you’re suffering through something, there is always something you can do to improve your quality of life. You can start eating an anti-inflammatory diet and see how you feel. For me, that was so profound. Then movement. There are studies that show that active movement, if you have the capacity to do it, could be as effective as a Xanax or stress reduction techniques. At night, prioritizing rest. Making sure you take moments to meditate or do breathwork. All that’s totally up to you. The air you breathe in your house, the products you use, whether they’re toxic or non-toxic — there’s a lot at your fingertips. Those are things a doctor can’t do for you.
Amy Kurtz: I felt like I was waiting for the other shoe to drop all the time. I could never fully feel safe in my body. It’s a mistake to buy into this fallacy that once illness is over, you’ll be back to your old self. There is no normal after you’ve been through something that profound, and it’s really important to not pave through your pain or put on a mask to make other people feel more comfortable.
Amy Kurtz: One of the most helpful parts is that there’s a key balance to strike — processing the grief of who you once were with the dreams of who you’d become. Grief is the loss of anything that’s important to you. In my case, my future was so different in every way. It was like I blinked and lost over a decade of my life. What I learned is key for myself is that regulating your nervous system is how you heal trauma. My book outlines just the right amount of therapies. I went from a CBT therapist to an EMDR therapist. I liked them blended together. I looked up Peter Levine’s exercises and started to do them, and started to get in touch with my body in a different way, because after illness your body still feels like a threat, and that doesn’t change until your mind knows that you’re safe. If you don’t feel safe in your body, you can’t ever fully heal.
Amy Kurtz: There’s also such beauty in the aftermath after the storm is over, because if this didn’t happen to me, I would never have written. I wouldn’t have connected with the thousands of people who have written me to say, “Thank you for validating my experience.” I feel I’m in exactly the right place now. But it took a while to get there.
Dr. Lisa: A big part of what we talk about and do on this podcast really is connected to relationships and connection. Take us into the isolation that you described — how to navigate relationships when you are unwell, and then how the other person is experiencing you. On the other side, dealing with a powerful chronic health condition, it probably is hard to be the kind of partner or friend that someone needs.
Amy Kurtz: People have to have conversations that are uncomfortable, and not knowing is okay. Everything in my life changed and that changed my relationship to all my friends. I was in my 20s, we all went out all the time, and now I’m just in bed feeling so crappy. But I had honest conversations with my friends that meant something to me. Many disappeared. That shows you a lot. It’s sad while it’s happening, but it also creates a tremendous amount of space for the right people to come in. I would have conversations where I said, “Hey, I can’t do this thing anymore, but you’re so important to me. How can we stay connected through this?”
Amy Kurtz: With family or loved ones, so many people feel shut down because people think they’re being supportive by saying, “Any better?” or, “Bobby’s sister’s friend’s cousin had this thing and tried that, you should look into that.” I was talking about my Lyme diagnosis and how much time I felt I had lost, and someone I love stopped what she was doing, walked across the room, hugged me deeply, and said, “I’m so sorry that you’ve been through so much pain.” And I just wept — because that’s all I ever wanted, was for somebody to validate my experience and see me and not be uncomfortable. For anyone listening who loves someone: it can look as simple as “What do you need from me? How can I support you? Is there anything I can do to make this easier?” It would change your entire relationship with that person.
Dr. Lisa: Amy Kurtz, this has been such an amazing conversation. Where can people continue this conversation with you and learn more?
Amy Kurtz: My new book is But You Look Fine: Trapped in the Hell Between Sick and Well and How to Break Free, out June 9th. You can find me at amykurtz.com and on Instagram, @_amykurtz. To anyone listening who feels like this is resonating: millions of us are suffering in silence with an invisible wound. Doctors don’t diagnose it. Nobody talks about it. Sufferers don’t admit to it. It doesn’t have to be this way. There are so many things that you can do to find freedom.
What to take with you
Your body and your nervous system run on different timelines.
Physical recovery and nervous-system recovery are two separate processes. Doctors track the first. Almost nobody tracks the second.
Medical Trauma Brain is the lingering imprint of illness that stays after the labs improve.
The same pattern shows up after divorce, postpartum, fertility, caregiving, burnout, and any long hard chapter — not just chronic illness.
Hypervigilance after the storm is not weakness.
It is your nervous system doing exactly what it was designed to do after a sustained threat. Reading about it does not turn it off. Living it differently with support does.
Women carry this harder for documented reasons.
Gendered delays in diagnosis, the cultural pressure to override your own body, and the way “do you need a Xanax” gets weaponized against any woman who knows something is wrong all compound the original trauma.
Nervous-system recovery is the work of relearning that your body is a safe place to be.
Anti-inflammatory eating, gentle daily movement, breath work, sleep, and trauma-informed therapy or coaching all help. The work is real, and it is what my team does with women every day.
Nervous System Overload: Why You Don’t Feel Safe in Your Body (And How to Heal)
Here is something I see in my office almost every week, and I do not hear it talked about anywhere else. A woman comes in and her life looks good on paper. The illness has a diagnosis. The divorce is final. The baby is sleeping through the night. The caregiving year is behind her. The labs are clear. And she sits across from me and says some version of: “I should feel better than this. Why don’t I feel like myself yet?”
That is nervous system overload, and it does not turn off when the hard chapter ends. It is the experience of your body still living inside the chapter you just survived, even though everyone around you (including, sometimes, you) thinks you should be over it. The labs do not measure it. Your friends do not see it. And almost nothing in the wellness conversation has language for it. Until now.
Most of the women who come to our team for personal growth coaching are not in crisis. They are functional. They are smart. They have read the books. They know what they are supposed to do. The problem is that their nervous system has been running on high alert for so long that information alone is not what changes it. Reading an article like this one will give you language for what is happening, and that matters. But the actual work — the part where you live it differently next Tuesday at nine o’clock at night with the people you actually love — that is the work the coaches and therapists on our team do with women like you every day. This article is in service of that. Not instead of it.
On this week’s episode of the Love, Happiness and Success podcast, I sat down with Amy Kurtz. Amy is a Hachette author, a certified holistic health coach, and a patient advocate who spent close to two decades trying to figure out why her body kept shutting down on her. She coined a phrase for exactly the experience I just described. She calls it Medical Trauma Brain. Her work is the doorway into a much wider conversation about personal growth coaching after a hard chapter, and how women rebuild trust in themselves after life knocks them sideways.
What is medical trauma brain?
Medical Trauma Brain is the lingering imprint of a long, hard chapter that stays in your nervous system after the chapter is technically over. It is the gap between the version of you that the labs say is fine and the version of you that still cannot relax in your own body. Amy Kurtz coined the phrase after living it for over a decade.
Amy’s story is specific and worth knowing. Back pain at fourteen. A perfect storm at twenty-five during a trip to Israel — celiac, thyroid disorder, a parasite, severe gastric motility issues. She gained thirty pounds in thirty days. She landed in the hospital and could not keep food down. From there, she spent a decade cycling through doctors. Thirty-six of them. The thirty-sixth finally gave her the diagnosis: late-stage neurological Lyme disease and co-infections. She did the hard treatment. Her body recovered.
And then she did not feel better.
She felt hypervigilant. She braced for the next collapse. She would be in the middle of a perfectly normal Tuesday and notice that her body was convinced something was about to go wrong. Nothing was wrong. The hard thing was over. Her labs were clean. Her doctors signed off. And her body kept living inside the chapter she had just survived. It was her husband who finally named it. He told her one day, in their kitchen, that what she had been through was a trauma. She had not had a word for it. Once she did, she could not unsee it. That sentence in her kitchen was the beginning of the book.
This is the work the coaches on our team do with women constantly, and almost none of them walk in calling it Medical Trauma Brain. They walk in saying “something is wrong with me and I don’t know what.” Putting language to what is happening is the first thing that changes — not because language alone heals you, but because the right language is what makes the work doable in the first place.
Why does my body still feel anxious after I’ve recovered?
Because your body and your nervous system run on completely different timelines, and almost nothing in modern medicine tracks the second one. Physical recovery is measured in lab values, scan results, and the absence of symptoms. Nervous-system recovery is measured in your felt sense of safety in your own body. The first can be done while the second is still profoundly unfinished.
The peer-reviewed research backs this up. A 2021 systematic review and meta-analysis published in General Hospital Psychiatry, drawing on 292 studies, found that medical events themselves are a significant predictor of post-traumatic stress symptoms, with prevalence rates running as high as 18.5% in the highest-risk medical contexts (Cyr et al., 2021). This is not fringe science. This is established. The medical-trauma framing has been peer-reviewed and acknowledged. What has not happened is that the framing has reached the women who need it.
Stephen Porges’s work on Polyvagal Theory, published in Frontiers in Integrative Neuroscience (Porges, 2022), gives us a framework for the physiology of this. The autonomic nervous system is constantly running a below-conscious scan of your environment for cues of safety or threat. Porges calls this scanning “neuroception.” When that system has spent months or years in fight, flight, or freeze, it does not flip back to ventral-vagal calm just because the threat has technically passed. It needs evidence. Repeated, embodied evidence that the world is safe enough now.
Reading this article is not that evidence. Your nervous system does not believe articles. It believes experience.
Is medical trauma brain only for people who have been physically sick?
No. And this is the part of the conversation I most wanted to have with Amy. The exact pattern she describes — labs are clear, body is fine, but the nervous system has not gotten the memo — shows up after every kind of long, hard chapter. I see it in my office in women who have never had a diagnosable illness in their life.
It shows up after divorce. A woman finally leaves a marriage that took years to leave. The paperwork is final. She is safer than she has been in a decade. And her body is still scanning for the version of him that used to walk through the door at six o’clock. It shows up postpartum. The baby is healthy. She is healed on paper. And six months in she still cannot put a word to why she does not feel like herself. It shows up after caregiving — the woman who cared for an ill parent for years, who handled the funeral with grace, who returned to her own life, and who cannot understand why her body is still in crisis mode now that the crisis is technically over. It shows up after burnout. After fertility journeys. After leaving a job that nearly broke her. After the year that nobody saw the full weight of.
The common denominator is not illness. The common denominator is a sustained period of having to override your body to get through what was happening. Your body keeps a record of that override. And when you finally have room to feel what you set aside, it does not feel like relief. It feels, at first, like everything you did not let yourself feel at the time.
If you are reading this and recognizing yourself in a scenario that has nothing to do with chronic illness, you are not stretching the concept. You are the concept. This is what our team works with. Not the diagnosis. The aftermath of the chapter, whatever the chapter was.
Why don’t I feel safe in my own body?
Because at some point your body became the thing you could not trust to be okay, and that wiring does not undo itself just because the danger passed. If you were sick, your body was the source of the threat. If you went through a chronically stressful relationship, your body was the thing that kept reacting to a person you could not predict. If you were burned out, your body was the thing you ignored until it stopped you. Whatever the chapter was, your body lived inside it with you. And the body remembers.
Amy describes this with a specific phrase that landed for me. She calls the in-between the “shadowlands.” She would be out to dinner with friends, laughing, present-seeming. And her mind would be locked somewhere far away that felt like a sandstorm desert. The body was in one place and the nervous system was in another. That is the felt experience of nervous system overload after a long hard chapter, and it is one of the loneliest experiences I see women carry, because almost nobody asks about it.
The gender piece matters here, and the research is unambiguous. A 2024 article in eClinicalMedicine (The Lancet) reviewed the evidence on what the authors called “the gender pain gap” (Mills et al., 2024). Women experience longer diagnostic delays, are more likely to have their pain dismissed as emotional or psychosomatic, and are more likely to be undertreated across a range of chronic conditions including migraine, fibromyalgia, autoimmune disease, and endometriosis. These delays are not just clinical inconveniences. They are cumulative traumas that compound the original illness. By the time a woman finally gets the right diagnosis, she has not only the disease to recover from but the years of not being believed.
Amy lived that exact pattern. So have most of the women I sit with. The original problem and the medical experience of trying to get the original problem taken seriously become a layered trauma that takes longer to recover from than either piece alone.
If you have been told you should be fine by now and you are not, the very first thing I want you to know is that you are not making this up and you are not behind. The work of teaching your body that it is safe to stop bracing is real work, and it is exactly what coaching is for. The right coach will not be impatient with the timeline. The right coach will know exactly what timeline this is.
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Physical recovery is the body returning to its previous function. Lab values normalize. Symptoms reduce. Movement returns. Your medical team can measure it, chart it, and sign off on it. Emotional recovery is the metabolizing of what the body went through — the grief of who you were before, the integration of who you became under stress, and the rebuilding of trust between you and your body. Almost nothing in the medical system measures it. Almost nothing in the wellness system has language for it that is not either reductive or expensive.
Amy makes a distinction in our conversation that I want to underline. Most trauma frameworks were built for capital-T traumas — a single horrific event, like an assault or a combat exposure. Complex PTSD frameworks were built for repeated traumas across time, like sustained childhood abuse. Medical Trauma Brain sits in a third category. It is the experience where the threat is your own body. Which means the trauma frameworks that ask you to feel safe in your body in order to heal are starting from a place you cannot start from yet. The recovery is the rebuild of that ground.
Practically, this means a few things. It means anti-inflammatory eating helps because reducing systemic inflammation reduces the body’s baseline threat signal. It means gentle, regular movement helps because it teaches the body that it can exert and recover safely. It means active movement, in particular, is unusually effective — Amy mentions in our conversation that research has shown active movement can be as effective as a benzodiazepine for some anxiety symptoms. It means sleep, breathwork, and slowness all matter, not as wellness theater but as nervous-system inputs.
And it means the relational piece is non-negotiable. Doing this work alone, with only your own internal voice as company, is not how most women come through it. The reason coaches and therapists exist for exactly this kind of healing is that you cannot fully see the gap in your own nervous system from inside it. The work of our team is to sit on the other side of you and witness it accurately, so that your nervous system finally has a steady second person in the room while it learns to recalibrate.
Why reading this article isn’t enough
I want to be honest with you about something. The frameworks I just walked you through are real and they work. People use them. Lives change because of them. But I would be doing you a disservice if I let you close this article thinking that reading it was the work.
Here is what almost always happens. You read a piece like this one. Something clicks. You feel a little hopeful. You make a mental note to try things differently. Maybe you Google a breathwork technique. Maybe you book one yoga class. And then your nervous system, which has been doing the same thing for the past three years or thirteen years or thirty years, does what it has always done. The hypervigilance returns. The bracing returns. The Tuesday at nine o’clock arrives and you are right back where you started, wondering why nothing changed.
The reason is simple. You are trying to override a deeply patterned response, by yourself, in the middle of the moment that response is most active. That is the hardest possible time to do new behavior. It is almost impossible to do alone.
What actually works is having someone in your corner who knows your specific patterns. Someone who can sit with you the first time you try to do it differently and reflect back what they see. Someone you can text after a hard week and get a steady response. Someone whose job is to pay attention to your nervous system across time. That is what working with one of the coaches or therapists on the Growing Self team actually is. It is not a lecture. It is not a generic plan. It is an ongoing relationship with someone who is keeping track of you while you do the work.
If anything in this article landed somewhere specific, that’s the signal that it is worth saying out loud to a real person. You can schedule a free consultation with our team and have a real conversation about what is going on for you. No commitment. No pressure. Just a conversation with someone who has heard a lot of stories and is not going to flinch at yours.
How do you regulate your nervous system after trauma or illness?
Slowly, with the right kind of help, and with a real respect for the fact that the work takes longer than you want it to. Here is what Amy and I covered in our conversation, organized into the categories that actually move the needle.
Self-advocacy as a daily practice. Amy reframes self-advocacy from “how to talk to your doctor” to “how to listen to your own body on a Tuesday.” She uses the inner-child metaphor specifically. If a child told you she had to use the bathroom or that something hurt, you would listen. Most women have spent years overriding their own version of those signals. Re-learning to hear them is the first move, and the smallest, and the most underrated.
Working with a doctor who actually helps. Amy now uses five non-negotiables before she commits to a doctor: the doctor has worked with people like her before; the doctor has a curious, open mind; the doctor trusts her own opinion about her own body; the doctor validates her experience without making her perform calm; and the doctor is willing to send her to someone else if they do not have the answer. Any red flag in those five is a signal to keep looking. She wasted years on doctors who failed one or more of those tests, and she wants women to skip that part.
Working with a therapist or coach who knows this work. Amy is clear in our conversation that mental-health support is not optional during nervous-system recovery. She names the modalities that helped her — CBT for the cognitive overlay, EMDR for the trauma processing, somatic work drawn from Peter Levine for the embodiment piece. The right combination depends on the person. The wrong combination is no support at all. If you want a clearer read on which kind of support fits your situation, our Therapy Questions page is the place to start.
The daily practice list. Anti-inflammatory eating. Sleep. Regular gentle movement. Breathwork or meditation. Reducing exposure to environmental toxins where you reasonably can. None of these is revolutionary alone. All of them together change the baseline signal your nervous system is reading.
This is exactly the territory the coaches and therapists on our team specialize in. Not generic wellness advice. Specific support for the work of teaching a particular nervous system that it is safe to come back down. There is no one-size-fits-all answer here, and that is the point. The right approach is the one calibrated to your history, your body, and your life. If you are deciding between therapy and coaching for this work, our Life Coaching Questions page walks through how to know which is the right starting point.
What about the people I love?
This is the part of the conversation that surprised me most. Amy and I ended up talking about the social cost of living through a long hard chapter — the friends who quietly disappear, the partners who run out of language, the family members who try to be supportive and accidentally make it worse. If you are the woman carrying this, you already know exactly what I am describing.
Amy told a story that I keep thinking about. She was talking about her diagnosis with someone she loved. She mentioned how much time she felt she had lost. The woman she was talking to stopped what she was doing, walked across the room, hugged her, and said: “I’m so sorry that you’ve been through so much pain.” Amy says she wept. Not because the words were profound, but because nobody had ever said them. The people in her life had been trying to be supportive by saying things like “are you better yet” or “have you tried this thing my cousin’s friend tried.” Almost nobody had said the simple sentence that named what she had actually been through.
If you are someone who loves a woman in the middle of this, you do not have to know the answer to anything. You do not have to be a therapist. You only have to be willing to name what she has been through and ask what she needs from you. Three questions cover almost all of it: What do you need from me? How can I support you? Is there anything I can do to make this easier? She will tell you. And the willingness to ask, without making her perform okay-ness in return, is more valuable than any specific thing you could offer.
If you are the woman in the middle of this, the relational work is also coachable. Post-traumatic growth is the term researchers use for what happens when women come out the other side of something hard — not just back to baseline, but with more capacity for honesty, intimacy, and clarity than they had before. That outcome is more common than most women expect. It is also more accessible with support than without.
The relational version of this work is one of the most common reasons women reach out to our team. They are tired of pretending they are fine in the rooms where they used to be able to relax. They are ready to have real conversations with the people who matter, and they want help structuring those conversations so they can hold up. That is exactly what the coaches on our team do. Not just the inner work. The outer work too.
The one tool I’d give a woman tonight
If you are reading this and recognizing yourself for the first time, this is what I want you to do. Tonight.
Find one quiet moment. Sit down. Put one hand on your chest and one on your belly. Breathe in for four counts. Breathe out for six counts. Repeat ten times. While you do it, say to yourself, in whatever exact words feel honest: I made it through. I am here. I do not have to be over it yet.
That is the smallest possible nervous-system input. It is not the cure. It is not even the start of the cure. It is a single, repeatable signal to your body that you are paying attention, that the override is over, and that you are willing to listen now. That signal, repeated, is part of what teaches your nervous system that the threat has passed.
Tomorrow morning, do it again.
And if something in this article landed somewhere specific — if you saw your life in any of these paragraphs — that recognition is worth saying out loud to a real person. Not a friend, not a partner, not yet. A coach or a therapist who has sat across from hundreds of women in exactly this place and knows the shape of this kind of healing. That is what the team at Growing Self exists for. Not to fix you. There is nothing wrong with you. To witness the work of you teaching your body that it is safe to be here again, and to help you get there with someone in the corner who is paying attention.
If you are ready to have that conversation, you can book a free consultation with one of the coaches or therapists on our team. It is a real conversation, with a real person, to see whether what we do here is the right fit for what you are carrying. No commitment, no pressure. Just the start of being seen accurately.
Xo,
Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby
About this episode’s experts
Amy Kurtz
Amy Kurtz is a trailblazing author, certified holistic health coach, and patient advocate who has spent her career helping people reclaim agency over their physical, mental, and emotional wellbeing. After two decades of misdiagnosis and finally a late-stage neurological Lyme diagnosis at thirty-five, Amy turned what she lived through into a body of work that has reached millions of people. Her first book, Kicking Sick, was named one of Lena Dunham’s top desert-island books of all time. Her second book, But You Look Fine: Trapped in the Hell Between Sick and Well and How to Break Free, is published by Hachette’s Balance imprint and launches June 9, 2026. Amy is a regular guest on Good Morning America and has been featured in Oprah Daily, NY Mag, the Boston Globe, MindBodyGreen, and Wanderlust. Her work has been endorsed by Mark Hyman (her own physician), David Perlmutter, Kris Carr, and Sharon Salzberg.
Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby
Licensed psychologist, marriage and family therapist, and Board Certified Coach. Founder of Growing Self Counseling & Coaching. Host of the Love, Happiness & Success podcast (15M+ downloads). 25+ years of clinical practice. Creator of the Growing Self Institute, where she trains licensed mental health professionals in evidence-based coaching psychology.
Resources Dr. Lisa talked about in this episode
Sources cited in this episode
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