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How to Have Difficult Conversations: Finding Confidence in Conflict

with Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby and Kwame Christian

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Why Difficult Conversations Feel Like a Threat (Not a Choice)

Scientists gave people Tylenol before a social rejection. It worked. Your nervous system treats being left out the same way it treats a broken bone.

If you’re non-confrontational by nature, or you’ve spent years being a people pleaser to keep things smooth, what Kwame explains in this episode is going to feel like the first time someone has accurately described what is actually happening inside you. The fear is not weakness. It is biology. And there is a way through it.

In this episode, I sit down with Kwame Christian, CEO of the American Negotiation Institute and host of Negotiate Anything. His framework, Compassionate Curiosity, is built entirely on empathy, genuine curiosity, and a clear sense of what you actually value. We did a live roleplay about household labor and invisible work, and I want to be honest with you: I felt the shift in real time. The resistance just left. That is what this approach does.

The best things in life are on the other side of difficult conversations. Let me show you the way through.

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“The best things in life are on the other side of difficult conversations.” — Kwame Christian

Episode transcript

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[03:01] People are so afraid. They don’t know how to handle this. What makes difficult conversations so hard?

Kwame Christian:[03:14] When it comes to the amygdala, it really doesn’t differentiate between a physical threat and a social threat. It will register the same way. So if there’s a tiger chasing us — that fight, flight, freeze, fawn reflex — versus the fear of what’s going to happen in this conversation, it’s the same neural circuitry.

Kwame Christian:[04:22] There’s research showing that taking Tylenol before a social rejection actually reduced the pain of it. The point isn’t to take Tylenol — the point is to recognize that the pain is real. Don’t tell people to just get over it.

Kwame Christian:[05:56] I grew up in a small town in Ohio. My family — we’re Caribbean immigrants. I was the only Black kid in school at the time. And I remember when I was younger, there was a moment in first grade where it was recess and I wanted to find people to play with.

Kwame Christian:[06:30] I went to one group and asked if I could play. They said no. I went to another group, they said no. Time was running out. I was getting desperate. I go to another group, they said no too. The bell rang and I was just devastated. I went inside in tears.

Kwame Christian:[07:18] And in that moment I made a decision: I will never allow myself to feel this afraid and embarrassed and ashamed again. That’s where the people pleasing started. It was a survival strategy.

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[10:16] Why did it become important to start growing in your ability to manage conflict? A lot of people stay in that people pleasing place their whole entire lives. But not you. What happened?

Kwame Christian:[10:48] I was talking to one of my mentors about the impact I wanted to have on the world. And he said: you have to recognize there’s a difference between being liked and being respected. Those two things aren’t the same.

Kwame Christian:[11:45] What got me to one level of life was actively preventing me from reaching the next. The strategy that had been adaptive became maladaptive. And I had to be willing to give up being liked in order to be respected.

Kwame Christian:[16:36] The night continued. We got to our destination and I talked to one of my friends — still best friend to this day. I said: listen, I have a question. Why is it that you are my best friend, but it seems like you are the one who respects me the least?

Kwame Christian:[17:12] He didn’t have a good answer. And then he apologized. And we were good after that. The reason I asked was: I wanted to reset the relationship. Each difficult conversation is a relationship test. We get to see what kind of relationship the other person actually wants with us.

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[18:04] That’s such a powerful reframe. The conversation isn’t the danger. The conversation is the diagnostic.

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[26:01] What do you do if you have almost a reflexive response to not wanting people to be mad at you? I know so many people like this. I think I’m probably better now than I was earlier in my life.

Kwame Christian:[26:48] When somebody is mad at you, what’s biologically happening is that their limbic system is having a chemical reaction based on a perception they hold. That reaction often has very little to do with you.

Kwame Christian:[27:55] You already have people in your life right now who think negatively of you whose perceptions have zero impact on your experience — because you don’t know about them. So the fear isn’t about their actual anger. It’s about what their anger means.

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[39:21] There’s a paradox here. On the one hand you have this strength, this firm foundation in who you are and what you care about. But then I hear you say there’s a lot you don’t care that much about. So in a conflict or negotiation — what does that look like?

Kwame Christian:[40:32] Negotiation isn’t business suits and smoky rooms. Anytime you’re in a conversation and somebody wants something, you’re negotiating. The three goals: get more of what you want, avoid things you don’t want, strengthen the relationship through the process.

Kwame Christian:[42:08] Negotiation isn’t the art of deal making. It’s the art of deal discovery. You’re not trying to win. You’re trying to discover what’s possible together.

Kwame Christian:[51:37] What we could do as a roleplay: I can be the woman in a heterosexual relationship and we can do an invisible work negotiation. The hidden assumption is that one partner does more of the household labor. And it’s been causing problems.

Kwame Christian (in role):[52:48] I’ve noticed that when I come home from work, I’m usually responsible for taking care of the kids, making dinner, and cleaning up. That makes me feel stressed. I wanted to see if you were open to having a conversation about what we could do to make things more balanced.

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[57:32] I felt the resistance leave in real time. There was nothing to fight because he wasn’t fighting me. He was trying to help me get what I needed. That’s the whole framework in action.

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[1:06:02] I hope everyone within the sound of your voice is furiously taking down notes and thinking about how they’re going to do their work — practicing these skills, which begins with managing your own stuff, staying in the ring, coming in with curiosity and open questions, seeking to understand and doing a very complete job of that.

Kwame Christian:[1:08:30] Confidence isn’t swagger. Confidence is understanding that at the end of the day, you’ll find a way to be okay. The difference between an emotional thought and a strategic thought is everything.

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby:[1:11:00] After having that conversation with him, I don’t think I want to even use the word conflict anymore. It’s not about conflict. It is about finding common ground, helping other people get what they want so that you can get more of what you want.

Key takeaways

What to take with you

01

The fear is biology, not weakness.

Social rejection activates the same neural pathways as physical pain. Your nervous system isn’t broken — it’s protecting you. The first move is naming that.

02

People pleasing started as a survival strategy.

Naming it as adaptive is the first step toward changing it. The strategy that protected you at one stage is the obstacle at the next.

03

Choose being respected over being liked.

The reframe that lets you stop optimizing for the wrong thing. Liked is comfortable. Respected is what lets you have the life you actually want.

04

Negotiation isn’t deal-making — it’s deal discovery.

The goal is never to win. It’s to discover what is possible together. Anytime someone wants something, you are already in a negotiation.

05

Use the Compassionate Curiosity framework.

Acknowledge and validate the emotions → get curious with compassion → joint problem solving. Three steps. Practice them in low-stakes conversations first.

06

Open with Situation / Impact / Invitation.

Neutral facts → personal impact → invitation to talk. Dissolves defensiveness before the hard conversation even begins.

07

Every difficult conversation is a relationship test.

When you hold your ground, the other person shows you what kind of relationship they actually want with you. That information is the gift.

08

Confidence in conflict isn’t swagger.

It’s the quiet certainty that at the end of the day, you’ll find a way to be okay. That’s what makes you steady in the conversations that used to scare you.

The article

How to Have Difficult Conversations: Finding Confidence in Conflict

If you’re non-confrontational by nature, if you’ve spent years being a people pleaser because keeping things smooth felt safer than saying what was true, I want to talk to you. Not because there’s something wrong with you. The opposite. Most people who struggle with difficult conversations are also deeply caring, attuned, and genuinely invested in the people they love. The problem isn’t that you don’t care. The problem is that you care so much that the thought of making things worse, of someone pulling away, of being rejected, feels like a physical threat. Because to your nervous system, it actually is.

I’m a licensed psychologist and the founder of Growing Self, where my team of relationship coaches and therapists works with exactly this kind of thing every day. I sat down recently with Kwame Christian, negotiation expert and CEO of the American Negotiation Institute, for a conversation I will be thinking about for a long time. If you’ve been waiting to feel ready for a hard conversation, this is the episode.

What Kwame taught me is that the way most of us think about difficult conversations — as something to get through, to survive, to win — is the very thing that makes them feel so dangerous. His framework is built on something completely different: empathy, curiosity, and a clear sense of what you actually value.

Why Do Difficult Conversations Feel So Scary?

Difficult conversations feel so scary because your brain is treating them as a genuine physical threat. Your amygdala does not meaningfully differentiate between a physical threat and a social one. The fear of rejection, of conflict, of someone being angry at you registers in the same neural circuits as the fear of a predator.

Research published in Psychological Science found that social pain activates many of the same neural regions as physical pain, and that taking acetaminophen actually reduced social pain in study participants (DeWall et al., 2010). The point is not to reach for Tylenol before a hard conversation. It is to stop telling yourself, or anyone else, to just get over it. The pain is real.

Kwame described it this way: even though it might not look logical from the outside, to the person experiencing it the fear is deeply rational because they are truly trying to avoid pain. Understanding that changes everything about how we approach building confidence in these moments.

Your fear is biology, not weakness — and it’s workable.

I made a free training for exactly this moment. Two short videos and a workbook that walk you through how to actually have the conversations you’ve been avoiding. Same skills my team teaches couples and individuals in their first sessions. Free.

Get the Free Communication Training →

How Does People Pleasing Start, and Why Is It So Hard to Stop?

People pleasing typically begins as a survival strategy, and understanding that is the first step toward changing it.

Kwame’s origin story is one of the most disarming things I’ve heard from someone in his field. He didn’t grow up a natural negotiator. He grew up as the only Black kid in a small Ohio town. In first grade, he went to one group of kids at recess and asked to play. They said no. He tried another group. No again. The bell rang and he went inside in tears. And in that moment he made a decision that shaped the next thirty years: I will never allow myself to feel this afraid and embarrassed and ashamed again.

The strategy he developed was to accumulate as many friendships as possible and be agreeable enough to maintain all of them. From the outside it looked like success. On the inside he was making compromises that slowly eroded his sense of himself. That is what people pleasing actually is: an adaptation to a genuine fear. The problem is that the strategy tends to be adaptive for a while and then becomes the obstacle.

The turning point for Kwame was a mentor telling him: there is a difference between being liked and being respected. You are not going to have the impact you want unless you figure out which one you actually need. That reframe, that the strategy which got him to one level of life was actively preventing him from reaching the next, is something I see constantly with the people my team works with.

If working on this pattern with real support sounds like what you need, that is exactly what our coaches and therapists at Growing Self do. Our coaches specialize in the gap between knowing what you want and actually being able to say it.

How Do I Stop Caring If People Are Mad at Me?

The honest answer is that you probably can’t make yourself stop caring entirely, nor would you want to. What you can do is understand what is actually driving the fear, which makes it far less powerful.

When someone is angry at you, what is biologically happening is that their limbic system is having a chemical reaction based on a perception they hold. That reaction often has very little to do with you. And if you think about it, you already have people in your life right now who think negatively of you and whose perceptions have zero impact on your experience, because you don’t know about them.

So the fear is not really about their actual anger. It is about what their anger means. For most people who struggle with this, the root is the same: self-worth tied to the perceptions of other people. Research in social psychology supports values-based anchoring as a way to reduce this vulnerability (Eisenberger & Lieberman, 2004). Kwame’s framework: build your character deliberately, anchor to what you actually care about, and make decisions based on fear of regret rather than fear of failure. This is the heart of emotional intelligence in relationships.

What Is the Compassionate Curiosity Framework?

Compassionate Curiosity is Kwame’s three-step framework for navigating difficult conversations. It works externally, in the conversation, and internally, as a process for managing your own emotional state before you walk in the room.

Step one is acknowledge and validate the emotions. Not just theirs. Yours too. Acknowledgement is not agreement. It is not endorsement. It is just acknowledgement.

Step two is get curious with compassion. Ask open-ended questions. Genuinely try to understand how the other person sees the situation, not to find counterarguments but to actually know them better.

Step three is joint problem solving. Not me against you. You and me against the problem. What can we figure out together?

For opening hard conversations, Kwame uses what he calls Situation/Impact/Invitation: state the objective facts neutrally (situation), share how it personally affected you (impact), and invite the other person into a conversation about it (invitation). This single move resets the entire dynamic of communication in relationships.

How Do I Have a Difficult Conversation With My Partner About Household Responsibilities?

This is where Kwame and I did a live roleplay. He played the role of a woman in a heterosexual relationship who does more of the invisible household labor. I played the resistant partner.

He opened with Situation/Impact/Invitation: “I’ve noticed that when I come home from work, I’m usually responsible for taking care of the kids, making dinner, and cleaning up. That makes me feel stressed. I wanted to see if you were open to having a conversation about what we could do to make things more balanced.”

I pushed back the way resistant partners do. And what he did next is the framework in action: he reflected back without agreeing, genuinely asked what acknowledgement looked like to me, and moved toward understanding before he ever moved toward solutions.

I felt the resistance leave in real time. There was nothing to fight because he was not fighting me. He was trying to help me get what I needed. And from that position of having actually heard me, he asked: “Would you be willing to spend a few minutes talking about my needs in this conversation?”

His resolution: each partner writes down everything they do at home and then compares the lists, asking “what can we do to make this more balanced?” That question from a place of mutual understanding is where the real conversation can happen. The same skill set transfers directly to healthy boundaries in any relationship.

If that roleplay gave you something, here’s how to practice it.

I made a free training that walks you through exactly what Kwame just demonstrated. Two videos. A workbook. The first concrete step from “I see what could work” to “I can actually do this in my real life.”

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Every Difficult Conversation Is a Relationship Test

Every difficult conversation gives the other person an opportunity to show you what kind of relationship they actually want with you.

When you hold your ground, when you say the thing you have been afraid to say, some people rise to meet you. Some people reveal something you needed to know. If someone cannot tolerate you having needs, if they respond to your limits with contempt or withdrawal, that is information. Not a verdict on you. Information about them, and about whether this relationship is what you have been hoping it is. Our work on healthy relationships goes deeper on this.

Kwame also offered guidance for exiting a difficult relationship if that becomes necessary: create a positive paper trail. Assume everything you write will be shared. Exit in a way you can look back on with respect for yourself. Your reputation is a constellation of relationships, and how you leave one reflects on you in the others. The fundamentals of improving communication apply even when you’re communicating your way out.

My team at Growing Self works with people navigating exactly this kind of decision, whether that means repairing a relationship or understanding whether it is repairable.

When you’re ready for someone in your corner.

This is the work my team does every day — helping people navigate the conversations they’ve been avoiding, with someone who knows their specific patterns. Not generic advice. A real ongoing relationship with a coach paying attention to your actual life. Schedule a free consultation to see if relationship coaching is the right fit for what’s in front of you.

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Why Knowing This Isn’t Enough

I want to be honest with you. The frameworks in this article are real and they work. But I would be doing you a disservice if I let you close this page thinking that reading it was the work.

Here is what almost always happens. You read something like this. Something clicks. You feel hopeful. You make a mental note to try the new approach the next time the situation comes up. And then the situation comes up, and your nervous system does what it has done for thirty years, and you find yourself in the same conversation you have been having for a decade.

The reason is not that you lack motivation. You are trying to override an entire pattern, by yourself, in the middle of the moment that pattern is most active. That is nearly impossible to do alone.

What actually works is having someone in your corner who knows your specific patterns, who can help you debrief after a hard conversation, and who can help you recalibrate before the next one. That is what coaching with our team is. Not generic advice. A real ongoing relationship with someone paying attention to your life. Our piece on constructive conflict goes deeper on what that practice looks like over time.

If something in this article landed somewhere specific, that is the signal to talk to someone. Our team offers free first conversations. No pressure, no commitment. Just a real conversation about what is actually going on for you. See if we are a good fit at growingself.com.

About this episode’s experts

KC

Kwame Christian

Esq., M.A. · CEO, American Negotiation Institute

One of the world’s most decorated negotiation experts. Host of Negotiate Anything (15M+ downloads in 180+ countries). Bestselling author of Finding Confidence in Conflict and How to Have Difficult Conversations About Race. LinkedIn Top Voice and TEDx speaker (650K+ views). Has taught negotiation to teams at Google, Apple, and NASA.

LB

Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby

PhD, LP, LMFT, BCC · Founder, Growing Self

Licensed psychologist, marriage and family therapist, and Board Certified Coach. Founder of Growing Self Counseling & Coaching. Host of the Love, Happiness & Success podcast (15M+ downloads). 25+ years of clinical practice. Creator of the Growing Self Institute, where she trains licensed mental health professionals in evidence-based coaching psychology.

Free downloads & tools

Resources Dr. Lisa talked about in this episode

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Communication That Connects — Free Two-Part Training
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Finding Confidence in Conflict — by Kwame Christian
Kwame’s bestselling book on the Compassionate Curiosity framework, expanded into a full methodology.
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Negotiate Anything — Kwame’s podcast
15M+ downloads in 180+ countries. Kwame’s deep-dive on every angle of negotiation, communication, and conflict.
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References & further reading

Sources cited in this episode

  1. DeWall, C. N., MacDonald, G., Webster, G. D., Masten, C. L., Baumeister, R. F., Powell, C., Combs, D., Schurtz, D. R., Stillman, T. F., Tice, D. M., & Eisenberger, N. I. (2010). Acetaminophen reduces social pain: Behavioral and neural evidence. Psychological Science, 21(7), 931–937. https://doi.org/10.1177/0956797610374741
  2. Eisenberger, N. I., & Lieberman, M. D. (2004). Why rejection hurts: A common neural alarm system for physical and social pain. Trends in Cognitive Sciences, 8(7), 294–300. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tics.2004.05.010
  3. Christian, K. (2022). Finding Confidence in Conflict: How to Negotiate Anything and Live Your Best Life. American Negotiation Institute Press.

2 Comments

  1. Thank you for publishing this article, it is really helpful. I am trying to use strategies that you mentioned for friendship with my best friend. If that’s the case, what is one thing that I should remember when I am having difficult conversation with her? I would like to make sure that the conversation with her would be productive without making it worse. I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

  2. Hi there, thank you for reaching out. I’m so glad to hear you’ve found the episode helpful and useful! I’m glad to know you’re using the strategies from the episode. If there’s one takeaway, I’d say it’s practicing feeling your feelings and emotion regulation even outside of having difficult conversations. These are skills we can strengthen with practice! You might find the episode “How Difficult Emotions Lead to Growth” a helpful addition to the great work you’re already doing. Congratulations! ~ LMB

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